Ancient Fan

3 hours ago, Cruzer1 said:

I'm late 50's, and I don't know who I'm suppose to ogle after...

I'm 80. What's ogle???

I don't know who is left. I'll take Kriedler if available.

On 1/1/2023 at 1:50 PM, Tiger337 said:

The Tigers had everything go wrong last year and still won 66 games, so I don't think they'll lose 60

But without Reyes, H. Castro, W. Castro and Candelario, how is that not going to happen?

4 minutes ago, Ancient Fan said:

I have to admit, with a drunk Bobby Layne at quarterback, what could possibly go wrong?

12 hours ago, chasfh said:

Hey, at least you saw an NFL title! Sure, you were probably in grade school, but hey, you were around!

I have to admit, with a drunk Bobby Laine at quarterback, what could possibly go wrong?

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Now do the Lions.

I don't have that much karma!

Cheer up folks. I've been doing this for over 70 years. I still remember the days when Van Patrick was telling us about the terrific homerun just hit by some rookie named Al Kaline or how some guy named Frank Lary just whipped the yankees again. It will get better.

On 6/13/2022 at 5:15 PM, lordstanley said:

On June 3 I traveled 20 hours to get from Vancouver to a small town north of Manchester on the Irish Sea. I spent the next 6 days trekking 185 miles on foot from that coast to the North Sea on the other side of England. Then took multiple trains to get to Manchester, overnight, continue onto Heathrow and fly home, arriving Saturday night. I've now been home 45 hours. In all that time, the Tigers have not hit one home run.

Sounds fun. Do you have pictures?

4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I think it's a little premature to say that, yes Brieske and Faedo are off to good starts in their MLB career but who knows if that is going to last. If they are indeed legit that helps the argument but if they aren't who can you really point to at this point as a success at the MLB level outside of Skubal and a relatively small sample of Turnbull before he had a major injury? Just about every team in the league can point to that type of "success", particularly if they drafted as many high end pitchers as we have.  

I will say it has been nice seeing guys like Flores and a couple others take positive steps in the minor leagues and along with the aforementioned turnarounds of Brieske and Faedo I have a little more confidence in the pitching development than I did say a year or so ago but I think it's too early to say that they have been good at it. 

What about Mize?

Don't know where to start with all this vitriol present.

First do not confuse the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. While we worship the same God, almost, our paths differ greatly. The theology is too extensive to try to compare at this site. I recommend a college coarse at a Christian or Judaism college.

The following link will give some insite as to why the Jews believe as they do. It does not apply to Christians in most cases.

https://forward.com/life/403206/how-orthodox-jews-observe-the-commandment-to-not-wear-wool-and-linen/

Best of luck in your search for the truth.

I apologize guys, I have to go do some work. I'll try to get back tomorrow, probably late in the day.

17 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Do you have a phone number or website for God where I can leave a complaint? 

I can't promise a reply, try P.R.A.Y.E.R. No area code.

2 minutes ago, oblong said:

and until about 50 years ago many religious people thought color of skin and gender would have been one of those curses.

 

Unfortunely, it's still believed by some "christians as well as others". Notice the little "c".

1 hour ago, oblong said:

What do you mean "excuse"?  Are you talking about laws and customs?  That is where the problem exists.  We don't excuse rapists, murderers, and cleptomaniacs because your God tells us we don't excuse them.  We don't excuse them because they are committing crimes that exist outside the establishment or existence of any religion.  I don't need a God, a Bible, a Koran, or any other religious teaching to tell me those things are wrong.   Homosexuality is not a crime.   It may be morally wrong according to your beliefs but your beliefs stay with you and nobody else has to abide by them.

 

Absolutely correct! You are allowed to make your own decisions, right or wrong. Unfortunately, the opposite is not true. The lgbt community is constantly sueing Christian organizations and believers to accept their beliefs or suffer many hardships. Doesn't seem all have the right to their own beliefs without discrimination.

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

So as science increases its understanding that sexual drive and gender expression is just as genetically conditioned and just as possibly genetically independent of one another as skin color and stature, how does that inform your view? Do you just deny the science? Or believe that God created people sloppily? Or that he deliberately curses people with bodies that don't match their brains according to conventional or majority outcome?  

If Christ preached so that people may have abundant life, how does that square with a social/religious or legal regimes that denies millions of people the opportunity to have meaningful relationships given the nature of their individual creation? 

Having lived for nearly 80 years, I have come to believe we all are born with a curse of one type or another (nothing in the Bible to substantiate this belief). It's what we do about this curse that will determine our worthiness in God's eyes. Most choose to follow the path of least resistance.

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Rapists, murders and robbers hurt other people.  They need to be punished primarily to protect us from their further actions.  Gays don't hurt anyone by being gay.  It's just a prejudice that some people have.

Your fight is with God, not with me.

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

And do they have the right to exist?

Bringing it back to the "patch" issue (which prompted the creation of this thread), a lot of why pride month exists is because it is a class of people that historically has faced discrimination and hardship in the American experience. Not unlike Black Americans or Hispanics, who also have months dedicated to their experience.

I'm sure this will be seen as namby pamby liberalism to some, but as I see it, regardless of whether I agree with the lifestyle or whether my religion condones it or not, I don't see why it is controversial to believe that, here on earth, gay people have the right to live with the expectation of not being discriminated against. And going against that seems like just another way to force my religion onto others.

I would never force "my religion" on you or anyone else, even if I could. You are asking questions of a Christian and I am trying to answer you as best as I can. The color of your skin as far as I know, is not a sin. Some have taken a portion of the Bible and tried to use that as a means to subugate black people. Discrimination exists all over the world, by all people, regardless of color of their skin. According to God, homosexuality is a sin. If you are going to excuse homosexuality because its a part of their nature, then we need to excuse rapists, murderes, cleptomaniacs etc, because its in their nature. All are sins according to God's word.

11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

My neighbors are Muslims. Do I still l love them as myself? What if they are gay? 

As mentioned in the other forum, my nextdoor neighbors are homosexual. I still care for them very much. They are very good neighbors but God says they are sinners and have no place with him. If they repent of their sins, they will be forgiven. That is a promise as stated in the Bible.

42 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

That won't be necessary. I went to Catholic school from K-12. Thankfully I made it through unmolested. I think it was around 3rd grade I realized it was a cult. 

You will have to give me your definition of a cult please. People assign their definition to many organizations, both religious and secular.

33 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

It seems that whenever this debate has come up, at least when I've observed it, there's a real lack of ability to understand the context of the Old and New Testaments. And the fact that Jesus, through his sacrifice on the Cross and thereafter, gave himself up as a sacrifice in order to establish a New Covenant.

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=9216

By no means am I a biblical expert, but this is pretty central to how I was taught as a Catholic. It doesn't make the Bible contradictory, per se, but it's more that there's a narrative arc to the text that often gets lost when people just cherry pick verses from certain books to apply to contemporary politicial issues

"gave himself up as a sacrifice in order to establish a New Covenant." Not to establish a new covenant, but to provide a way to God because of our sins. Because of our sins, we cannot approach God. Jesus died on the cross to atone for our sins, he placed all our sins, past present and future on himself so that if we accept his sacrifice, it will clear a path to God. If we refuse to accept His gift we are doomed to spend eternity in Hell. The new covenant is just his promise to do what he said his sacrifice would accomplish.

34 minutes ago, pfife said:

I think your posts while I disagree are good.   Thank you for posting.  

I think the the metaphor you made about parenting was good but I'm just not sure how we can apply that to items the bible says people should be killed over.   

For a non-christian such as myself (although a confirmed Lutheran), the link is a little thick to reason through.   Is this paragraph from your link saying, essentially, we are not bound by old testament b/c of the new testament?

 

 

Pretty much, this is true as stated previously. There are "laws" that still apply to everyone, such as the 10 commandments but remember the greatest commandment is to "love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself". Matthew 22: 35-40

22 minutes ago, pfife said:

I think your posts while I disagree are good.   Thank you for posting.  

I think the the metaphor you made about parenting was good but I'm just not sure how we can apply that to items the bible says people should be killed over.   

For a non-christian such as myself (although a confirmed Lutheran), the link is a little thick to reason through.   Is this paragraph from your link saying, essentially, we are not bound by old testament b/c of the new testament?

 

 

Please remember that the laws were given only to the Israelites. This was, for the most part, for their safety. The rest of the laws and punishments were to let the people know that God is the Creator and he views certain behavior as evil. This is where most people fail to connect. Most people think God has no right to dictate behavior on his creation. That's because most don't believe there is a God or that he has anymore say in the matter. The Bible says 100% opposite. So, it really boils down to... do you believe there is a God or not.

On 6/8/2022 at 6:21 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Tork has been worth his weight just in the number of bad throws he has already saved. I've only seen him lose one so far and Jeimer and Javy have both had him working hard most of the time. I don't know what kind of glove Pete Alonso had with the Mets last season but with the Cubs Javy had Rizzo at 1st. If he threw in Chi like he throws here, Rizzo must have saved him a lot of errors as well. Javy's not uncatchable wild, and clearly the arm is a cannon, but he almost never makes a straight at the chest throw to 1st either.

Now if he can just catch foul popups.

Motown, your impression is flawed. They need prayer and discipline from their father. Big problem in America today, too many kids without a loving father.

pfife, there are some sins that are beyond forgiveness (the unforgivable sin). This does not apply to homosexuality. I recommend the following link. I think it explains the situation very well.

https://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-death-penalty.html

Happy to answer all questions. I am far from an expert. If I don't know the answer, I'll direct you to a person that can correctly explain the Christian belief.

16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I can never wrap my head around how God is loving and forgiving, but I also must fear God because God can be vengeful. 

I don't know if you are a parent. Picture yourself with a child. If that child is "good", I would assume you would love that child. If that child became unruly, would you still love that child? I would, but I would insist that child be disciplined, to correct an unruly behavior. I believe God works in a similar manner and the Bible confirms that.