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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

It would be better if they removed the Pistons.  I don't need a 28 hand losing streak when I am playing poker.  

Yeah well... I did need another suit. I suppose I could have done one of the UofM or MSU, but neither of them are red. And as bad as the Pistons are right now (I really don't follow them much, but even I know how bad they are) they've at least had championships within my life time.

1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I was sent an email from the official Panthers email account server.

Officially speaking, I'm a season ticket holder, so that could be why I got the email. I've not attended a game in my season tickets (have sold each game for profit to help pay for Lions season tickets lol), but they probably don't care about that so long as the seats are being used and the people in them are buying beer and food.

Okay, well then yeah... that's an official partnership and yeah that's not a great sign if they're desperate enough for money that they'll partner with a timeshare.

On a completely side note: has anyone ever gone to one of these timeshare sales pitch thingies? I sometimes thought about taking one of these vacation deals, then just trying to find someone local and paying them to sit through the presentation so I didn't have too. 

20 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Probably not great that they're resorting to partnering with timeshares.

Where was this being offered? I'm wondering if it's an official UFL or did they just buy the tickets for the game themselves?

20 hours ago, Jason_R said:

Goff struggled when protection broke down or players missed blocking assignments. But he knows where to go with the ball when the blitz is coming. 

Putting on my Motown Bombers hat a moment: I don't think there are too many QBs who don't struggle when protection breaks down or players missing blocking assignments. The question isn't if he struggled, but how much did he struggle and was it appreciably more than other QBs.

Now, obviously a more mobile QB will struggle less (all other things being equal) as a mobile QB has one more tool to use in those situations vs. a less mobile QB. (Or perhaps it's better to say a more mobile QB has a better tool than a less mobile QB... splitting hairs here.)

But all other things aren't equal, ever. Would I take Gared Joff who's identical in all areas to Jared Goff except he can run like Justin Fields? Hell yes! But Gared Joff doesn't exist.

16 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I feel like this staff has a plan for players and they are patient. I don't think anyone would have been shocked if Melifonwu did not make the roster out of training camp. The coaching staff was patient and committed to converting him to safety and it paid off. 

Obviously we're still early in the tenue of Holmes, but what this does NOT feel like is a Dombrowski built team. I'm not trying to hate on Dombrowski because he pulled the Tigers out of the depths of the MLB and put the team in a position to win World Series for a while, but he also heavily mortgaged the future to do it.

Holmes seems to be trying to build a consistently good roster, not just a "run for the SB and then suck for 10 years" sort of situation, but a sustained success. Time will tell if it works, but the results so far are very promising.

On 4/28/2024 at 6:52 PM, buddha said:

a-?  that is the definition of an a+ draft.

If you're grading on a curve, yeah. But this is kinda like the PFF method of grading. Each pick can only get an A+ grade. ARSB should be like an A+++++++++ grade. Top 10 player at his position in round 4? Yeah, that's big time score! But if you can only be A+ per pick, then you average all the picks, you come out with an A- because of Levi.

Having said that, this isn't probably the best way to grade a draft.

Between the draft and just life being busy this weekend, I completely forgot to tune into the Panthers... and it seems that my lack of watching them proved to be bad luck for Bates. 2 of 3 FG attempts were missed. A 58 yarder and 62 yarder were both missed, though he did make a Badgley-range 30 yarder. This was his first time kicking outside in the UFL, and there was a 13 mph wind, so that may have played a part. Next week is back inside at Ford Field.

On 4/27/2024 at 3:01 PM, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I am disappointed that we haven't addressed the interior of the offensive line or WR. Consider we have a 34 year old guard in Kevin Zeitler,a 31 year guard in Graham Glasgow, and a banged up 29 year old Center in Frank Ragnow I was really hoping to pickup at least one potential, future starter on the interior of this offensive line. That is one of our  biggest needs at this point and something that has gone unaddressed.

I know it's been said a lot, but this draft is yet more proof that Holmes drafts BPA. He doesn't care (very much) about position. He just really, really doesn't. He drafted a CB... right after drafting a CB. He traded up to get a RB (among other things, but was "interviewed" as a RB) after drafting a RB in the first round last year.

To completely mix some sports metaphors, Holmes is taking a home run swing on each an every pick. He's not interested in bunting to move the runs over so that maybe they'll score on the next at bat. He wants a home run. He'll use FA to fill in what holes there are in the roster. So far that's worked out in the Lions favor. We'll see if it continues to work out over the next 3-5 years, but it's hard to argue with his methods right now.

On 4/27/2024 at 2:44 PM, 1984Echoes said:

Oh damn!!!

I didn't know he could ALSO play 2nd and SS!

Can he play 1st? We need some serious help there right now.

On 4/27/2024 at 1:50 PM, slothfacekilla said:

I'd be really interested to see him play both O and D... but I kinda doubt it'll happen.

I apologize 'cause I'm sure this has been posted before. But holy ****... 

I seriously, seriously hope this guy works out because holy cow do I want to root for him. My goodness. 

2 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

This is the pick of a guy who DNGAF. He is very secure in his status with the front office, he is very secure in his relationship with the coaching staff, and he is very secure in the roster he has constructed. All of these allow him to take a player at a position they don’t “need” but who fits their player profile perfectly. 

Totally agree. Now, that's not to say he's right. That's not to say that this guy will end up being a great player. Holmes can certainly be wrong. But this is definitely his style and his thinking.

I think you're all looking at it wrong. Brad (mostly) don't care about position. The draft is about loading up on promising talent not matter where they play. FA is for filling holes. Draft picks, to him, are about trying to hit homeruns every time he gets to the plate. He's not going to lay down a bunt to move the runners over. 

Brad is not going to settle for lesser player who might slot in somewhere better if he genuinely thinks the other guy is a better player.

13 hours ago, buddha said:

 

TERRION ARNOLD

ALABAMA

CB

Prospect Info

COLLEGE

Alabama

HOMETOWN

CLASS

Tallahassee, FL

R-Sophomore

HEIGHT

6’ 0’’

WEIGHT

189 lbs

ARM

31 5/8’’

HAND

8 7/8’’

Prospect Grade

6.45

Will Become Good Starter Within Two Years

 

 

85

Good

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2024 Draft Results

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LIONS

Detroit Lions

Round 1 ‧ Pick 24

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Score Breakdown

 

Production Score

90

2024 Combine CB Rank: 1st

Athleticism Score *est

70

2024 Combine CB Rank: 17th

Total Score

85

2024 Combine CB Rank: 2nd

 

Combine Results

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40-Yard Dash

4.5

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10-Yard Split

1.54

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Vertical Jump

37’’

Broad Jump

10’ 9’’

3-Cone Drill

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Alabama CB Terrion Arnold joins 'GMFB' on day of '24 draft

 

Player Bio

2021: Redshirted.

2022: FWAA Freshman All-American, Freshman All-SEC. Played in 11 games with seven starts (45 tackles, INT, 8 PBUs).

2023: First-team Associated Press All-American. First-team All-SEC. Tied for sixth in the FBS with 5 INTs, tied for fifth with 17 passes defended (12 PBUs). Started all 14 games.

 

-- by Chad Reuter

 

 

 

Analysis

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NFL Analyst

Draft Projection

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NFL Comparison

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Overview

Twitchy man-cover corner with outstanding athletic ability and the skill set to bring in ball production at the professional level. Arnold possesses average size but plays with a desired level of aggression and competitiveness in both phases of his job. He’s fast and agile to match up against a variety of receiver flavors on the outside or in the slot. Arnold could squeeze routes tighter from off coverages and limit the yards after catch with a slightly different approach. His closing burst allows him to meet throws at the catch point with a natural feel for playing angles and attacking the receiver’s hands. Arnold will make mistakes with positioning and lose focus at times, but the athletic traits and nose for the ball create quality upside for him to be positioned as a CB1 within a couple of years.

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I have to hand it to him on the suit color choice... it's flashing but it's a color that isn't used by any NFL team, so it's not going to clash or look like he's wearing an opponents colors for which ever team ended up picking him.

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

NotNot sure if this has been posted yet, pretty funny

Dang it... you beat me by an hour.

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

The defense carried that 2014 team. Stafford had a 85 QB rating that year. That was worse than any Goff year minus his rookie year. From 2012 through 2014 Stafford has QB ratings of 79, 84, and 85. Worse than Goff when Goff when he was ran out of town. After his first year with Jim Bob Cooter, his QB rating goes up to 97 and Stafford continued to get better without Johnson. 

Okay, let me simplify the question. Above I posted the starting offensive roster of the Lions in 2014 and 2023 sans QB along with the HC and OC. Taking the QB out of the question, which of those rosters/coaching combos would you pick?

In this situation you can't pick pieces and parts... just all of the 2014 people listed above or all of the 2023 people listed above. To make explicitly clear: If you pick 2023 that does NOT mean Goff isn't good and only got far because of the supporting cast. If you pick 2014 it does NOT mean that Stafford is a bum who got carried. This is not a commentary on the QB right now. I'm just asking... in a QB vacuum (ie, not QB around) which of those two groups would you pick?

17 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

2014 Stafford had Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate, Reggie Bush, Joique Bell, and Pettigrew who was a 1st round pick. Is that worse than what he had on the Rams? Johnson, Tate, prime Marvin Jones, Golladay, Hockenson, Pettigrew, **** even Ebron. 

Stafford rarely had good defenses on the Lions. 2014 was the exception. Most of the time they were in the late 20's. In 2020 the defense was historically bad. 

Sorry, but even in 2014 with Calvin and Golden I'm still taking the 2023 offense over that. Still is we say 2014 was the best teams that Stafford played on as a Lion, it also is the team that did the best with Stafford. 11 and 5, 2nd in the North, just one game behind the Packers. And had a legit shot of winning the playoff game against the Cowboys until the refs picked up the flag.

Which kinda sort answers my question: Could Stafford have done better when a better team around him? Well, one of the best the Lions managed to put together with him at the helm nearly won a playoff game... so probably yeah. Does this means Stafford > Goff? Of course not. That's not the question I'm trying to answer here.

It's an interesting "what if" question, but that's all it is. Goff's our QB and I'm very happy with that. He's got more playoff wins than any Lions QB has in more than half a century so what's not to like love about that? If the Rams offered to trade Stafford for Goff straight up right now, I wouldn't do it. So I'm not arguing that Stafford is the better QB or Goff is just a system QB or that Goff's merely benefiting from a good team around him.

WOW.

24 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Has Stafford really been better on the Rams since he allegedly has more talent?

The question really boils down to this:

Do you think that the talent that Goff has around him right now (from coaching to front office to on the teammates) isn't better than the talent that Stafford every had around him for any one season? I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a season where this is true. Stafford has, at times, had great defenses. He has, at times, had good, great, and even HOF caliber team mates on offense, but has he ever had a season where much of this was true at the same time?

And even if can find a season where the talent level is great, can we really consider any of the coaching staffs to be great, or even good? I'd say no.

Does this mean Stafford > Goff? Absolutely not. It means that I wish I could see what Stafford would do if we could magically go back in time to July 2023 and swap Stafford for Goff 1-for-1 so that I could see what Stafford would do. We know what Goff did, and it was pretty damn special. Would Stafford have done the same thing (or better)? Then that'll answer the question of if it was Stafford or just a bad team around him. Would Stafford have done worse? Then that'll answer the question of it it was Stafford or just a bad team around him.

This isn't supposed to be a Stafford vs. Goff debate. This is suppose to be a fantasy question to ultimately answer the nagging question: Was it Stafford or the Lions that make the 2010s just one more decades of despair for Lions' fans.

46 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

1. Charles Rogers

2. Joey Harrington

3. Andre Ware

Honorable mentions to Reggie Rogers, Mike Williams, and Jahlani Tavai.

Oh... please, please do not bring up BMW.

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

4/5ths of the offensive line Goff had last year were around when Stafford was on the team. 

You're being disingenuous when you say that.

Decker overlaps Stafford for 5 seasons (16-20)
Glasgow overlaps Stafford for 4 seasons (16-19)
Ragnow overlaps Stafford for 3 seasons (18-20)
Jonah Jackson overlaps Stafford for 1 season (20)

Let's give a point for each OL player from 2023 who played in each season with Stafford:

09: 0 - 10: 0 - 11: 0 - 12: 0 - 13: 0 - 14: 0 - 15: 0 - 16: 2 - 17: 2 - 18: 3 - 19: 3 - 20: 3

Out of a possible 60 points, we get 13. Saying "4th/5ths" is technically true because 4 of the 5 starters from 2023 did play at least one season with Stafford on the Lions. But it implies that Stafford had largely the same OL that Goff did through his career in Detroit, which is not even close to true.
 

25 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Yeah, the argument that he played with trash his entire time as a Lion is bogus, I never understood it.

I don't think anyone has ever made the claim that Stafford had nothing but trash as teammates. That said, on the whole, Goff has better talent surrounding him. The OL was never as good for Stafford as it is for Goff and that plays a MAJOR role in how good an offense can be.

18 hours ago, buddha said:

barry is the only easy choice.  calvin?  joe schmidt?  lem barney?  night train lane?  stafford?

i'd probably go with barry, calvin, and alex karras.

if you go by approximate value:

barry 149

stafford 133

wayne walker 124

AV only goes back to 1960, unfortunately, which means Layne does show up on the list because by 1960 he was in Pittsburgh.