Mr.TaterSalad

4 hours ago, buddha said:

goalies take time.

i wouldnt be disappointed to not see cossa until an iniury hits, and with gibson and talbot in net, it will hit.

i'd be more disappointed if a couple of mazur, danielson, wallinder, buium, asp dont break through next year.

I was looking through the list of first round goalies drafted over the past 10-15 years. There aren't many of them as we already know. But I read looking to see when I'm their careers and at what age these goalies got called up and asked to play serious minutes. It looks like Andre Vasilevskiy, Jake Oettinger and Ilya Samsanov have thus far been the most successful.

Vasilevskiy came up with Tampa and got serious ice time in the 14-15 season at age 22 it looks like. The next season he got more playing time and stayed up for most the season at age 23. Oettinger was called up at age 22, in the 21-22 season, when Dallas had some injuries. He stayed on the main roster thereafter. For Samsanov he was 22 turning 23 when he got called up with Washington in the 19-20 season. 

Cossa will be 23 next season and may not get any NHL minutes unless an injury occurs. While all goalies mature and come into their game differently during their careers, for Cossa to potentially be pushing 24 and not get any real NHL ice time just disappoints at some level. If he simply isn't ready and this is what's best for his development, then so be it. I'll trust Yzerman, his scouts, and his coaching staffs, for now. If he isn't a good player then we're opening up a whole other issue regarding our scouting and drafting of goalies as an organization and Yzerman's decision making to use a first on one. 

If Yzerman is banking his career on these prospects as Friedman said then it would be nice if Cossa gets a real shot next year. It looks like he certainly won't to start the season. I'm guessing it will take a significant injury to Gibson or Talbot to see him for anything beyond a couple of games next year. Which is disappointing because he'll be 23 and we spent a disk round pick on him. 

9 hours ago, pfife said:

Its like being a better nfl gm than matt millen

I've always said it, Donald Trump is the Matt Millen of Presidents. 

10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Like Iowa Senator Joni Earnst said: "We're all gonna die anyways, ****-a-bitch!"

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

That’s it? A little swag? That’s all it took? No riches, no money, no payoffs of any actual value?

I think this helps confirm the theory that a lot of these running dogs really are true believers.

Normally, people are swayed with a big bribe or getting something significant in the form of an appropriation for their Congressional District. A couple of fake watches and a signed hat apparently got them on board. This is hysterical.

17 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don’t think Trump actually knows what’s in his bill. 

The guy is a clod and has no clue about anything. He doesn't even know what is in his own bill that he's been hawking for the past month. ****ing dunce!

45 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

I do not buy the “poor pro side scouting” narrative. There was a roster with gaping holes but with no prospects to fill them for several years. Yzerman filled these holes with the players who were on the market at market rates (or slightly above) on medium-term FA contracts. These players have performed according to reasonable expectations, though fans may have wished these players turned into something they were not. 

Now that there is talent in the pipeline, he is not as interested in free agents and the ones he has signed have been for one year. 

Compher, Gustafsson, Holl, Husso, Petry, Reimer, and Tarasenko performed to reasonable expectations? I'd argue that they vastly underperformed and some of them barely even belong on an NHL roster. I'm amazed that the defending Stanley Cup Champs would even want Petry on their roster at this point in his career, but apparently they do.

I spent years criticizing Kenny for making bad, desperation, panic moves in the offseason. Signing guys just to continue a playoff streak, refusing to infuse the roster with younger talent, and refusing to rebuild. Holland wanted to stay relevant for the sake of staying relevant it felt like. Thus, he created a team with no clear plan for the future and a roster incapable of actually winning a Stanley Cup.

So if Yzerman doesn't go out this season and make any ridiculous moves out of panic or desperation, I cannot rightly criticize him in that regard. I can't criticize him if he doesn't actually sign guys to bad, cap crippling contracts just to try and make the playoffs next year. If he is going to infuse this roster with younger talent and give young guys like ASP, Cossa, Danielson, Mazur a shot on the main roster, I'm happy with that. So props to Yzerman for not going out and blowing the bank and ruining our cap flexibility by massively overpaying for average to above average players as Holland would do just to attempt to stay relevant.

Where I can continue to criticize Yzerman though is the poor pro-side scouting and personnel moves he has made over the years and the contracts he's now having to try and unload. People will be rightly happy if he buys out Holl, in addition to having shipped off Tarasenko. Those moves are nice and all, but wouldn't have had to been made if he didn't bring the guys in to the Wings in the first place. There are also all the other poor, pro-side transactions that he has made that haven't worked out or have underwhelmed at best. Chiarot, Compher, Copp, Gustafsson, Husso, Petry, Reimer.

He's also been on the friends and family plan when it comes to who he has employed in his player personnel department in the front office. In particular, when it comes to pro-side scouting with guys like Draper, Horcroff, and others. He hasn't been willing to admit mistakes there are reorganize his front office much from a pro scouting perspective it doesn't seem like. There is criticism to be had there too.

But all and all, while I feel disappointed we haven't yet landed a big fish and someone who can be a top contributor to elevate this roster, I can't be mad at what's been done so far. I am hoping there is another piece to the puzzle coming here from Yzerman in getting a solid, NHL-ready talent. 

28 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I love how she glosses over the jobs numbers and tries to move onto talking about something else. The economic wunderkind strikes again.

We all have bad sports opinions and takes over the years. I've had many of them. But Kenny continues to vindicate me and a lot of fans who recognized what a fraud and a bad GM this guy is. I know we won the Cup in 2008 and made another one in 2009 that we should have won. I know we had the playoff streak and all that. But in the post-cap NHL, and certainly when tasked with a rebuild, Kenny has proven he isn't up to getting the job done.

He just loves signing old, washed, veterans for some reason and does little to make his core roster younger, faster, tougher, and better overall. He then gets married to these guys he signs and offers them too long a term or resigns them long after others would have let them walk. He only had the success he did in Edmonton because he inherited 2 of the top 5 players in the league. Without McDavid and Draisaitl being there from the start, Kenny would have never sniffed the playoffs in Edmonton. Much less had a Stanley Cup Final apperance.

Yean, it really costs us nothing in the end given the term and length of the contract. JVR was surprisingly more productive than I thought he'd be when I looked up his stats just now. 16 goals and 36 points for a 35 year old player last season. Not bad and if he were to give us similar numbers on the 3rd line, I guess I wouldn't complain.

I posted the JVR comments in the wrong thread. Another 35+ year old winger to add to the collection.

Wrong thread.

We signed James Van Reimsdyk?

He wants to be a Putin/Orban/Netanyahu type leader for sure. He wants to have iron clad control over the country so he can grift, make money, and stay out of jail for any of the crimes he has committed or will commit in the future.

If you like the real country music or alt-country, with poetic storytelling and incredible songwriting, you'll love Drayton Farley's American Dream. Love this guy and really love the working class thematics here in the song.

So I have two Mt. Rushmore's. One is of my favorite moments in sports and one is the all the bad moments, blunders, stupidity, and SOL.

Favorite Mt. Rushmore . . .

1. Michigan wins the National Championship in 1997 and the iconic picture of Charles Woodson with the rose in his mouth. I was a kid then and my dad and I were fist bumping and high fiving when Michigan won the Rose Bowl.

2. Red Wings win the Cup in 2008. Went to Joe Vision for Game 6 when we beat Pittsburgh that year and what a time we had. I had just turned 21 that year too.

3. Magglio's walkoff home run during the 2006 ALCS. The call on this one from Thom Brennaman is great too.

4. Lions beating the Rams for their first playoff win in 32 years. I had never witnessed a playoff win as I was like 4 years old the last time they won a playoff game. I still have beer stains on the siding on the porch awning from us spraying beer all over each other.

If we did trade for one of K'Andre Miller or Rasmus Andersson, what type of deal do you think we'd resign them too? Yzerman hasn't killed giving out long terms to players that he draft. I would imagine both would want a longer term, unless they are out to test the free agent market in a few years after the cap goes up. At which point, are they worth trading for if they'd only sign a 2-3 year deal. 

For your offseason reading pleasure here is the blogs recap on K'Andre Miller, who has also been linked to us.

https://blueseatblogs.com/2024/08/26/2024-kandre-miller-report-card/

52 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

 

I want nothing to do with Ryan Lindgren I would be pretty upset if they gave him a significant amount of money

No thanks on Lindgren because I feel like he'll be overpaid by a couple mil a season giveth his age. There is no production there from an offensive standpoint and he's not some amazing defensive defenseman. It sounds like the PK was one of his strengths but he took a step back last season. 

I read reading this hockey analytics blog on Lindgren and here are some stats that stood out

"According to PuckIQ, Lindgren was a +22, 48.5% for Corsi F% (shot attempts), 45.4% HDCF% (slot chances). Last season, he had 129 shifts in the defensive zone, was a +29, 54% for CF%, and 54.3% for HDCF%.

Lindgren’s other contribution historically has been the penalty kill. This season he logged 200+ mins. However, the Rangers were better at limiting chances on the penalty kill when he was on the bench."

Wait, isn't Marchand like 37? Is he really going to play until he's 43? Crazy to think he signed a 6 year deal though. I guess he wants to be the new Jarmir Jagr.

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

FWIW, Suter/Parise had less to do with the Wings and more to do with being sold the dream to come back home and make NHL hockey matter in Minnesota

As much as I crapped on Kenny over the years, that was not his fault in any way. Had Suter and Parise not been from Minnesota and Wisconsin respectively, and also very good friends with one another, chances are we could have gotten one or both of them. Suter went and wanted to play with his buddy Zach Parise if my memory serves me correctly.

I'm glad this trade was made and Tarasenko is not on the roster any longer. I'm glad that we didn't have to retain any salary to move him. I'm hopeful there wasn't a high round pick included in moving him out, add there was with Wallman. I'm glad Yzerman essentially admitted this signing was a failure and traded him out of here. But, it's still on Yzerman that he signed him in the first place. 

41 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

If I was to get injured and be forced off the job, I might gain 25 pounds from eating chips and beer. 

When they said he put on weight did they specify whether it was muscle or fat. I'd hate for him to show up to camp all blown up, looking like mid-2010s Dustin Byfuglien.

Screw writing a book and making money off of it. If she wants to do the right thing she can start caucusing with and running as a Democrat. At a time like this, with Democrats down in the Senate, if she believes Trump is this big of a threat, she can choose to abandon Republicans and become a Democrat.