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1 hour ago, Dtrain72 said:

Hey, ya know, I just noticed something...Maeda f*cking sucks

You JUST noticed that?  Didn't his previous starts kind of give that away?

On 4/15/2024 at 3:15 PM, LongLiveMaroth said:

With the old regime, I would agree but I can already hear Harris and Hinch complaining about his K rate. 

The only thing Hinch knows about hitting is that he couldn't do it at the Major League level.  I can't wait to see Jung in a Tigers uniform, preferably under a different manager. 

I think Hinch needs to pull the old garbage cans out of the closet to help spark the offense.  That is the only thing I can think of that made him even an average manager.  

I don't know. 

Initially, I thought it was a poor choice to spend the #1 pick on a guy who can only play 1B since they kind of grow on trees.  And unless he is a top 5 offensive player there, it just seems like it was a bad pick.  But I guess that doesn't really matter now.  

However, because he was the #1 pick, the Tigers have to give him extra time for him to develop.  I thought he should have spent another year in AAA.  

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

Under....lmao

Isn't there a team in the National League that thinks they can "fix" him. A AA middle infielder would do it. 

If Avila was the GM, he would be willing to trade anyone on the 40 man roster for a weak hitting middle infielder who will never play a game in the majors.  

2 hours ago, Dtrain72 said:

Greene aint a leaoff hitter...gonna need a true lesdoff hitter and 3rd baseman come next season.

...and a 1st baseman, shortstop, 2 outfielders, a catcher....

3 hours ago, casimir said:

Speaking of quitters...

You seem to have quit the conversation about Scherzer.  So have at it, champ, prove your point that Scherzer is often injured.

 

Are you serious?

Scherzer missed the first few months of this season and ...he's been on the injured list four times since 2019.  

just left the game about 15 minutes ago with an injury.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2022/09/04/max-scherzer-injury-mets-nationals/65471098007/

but I thought anybody with basic intelligence and the ability to access the internet could look up his injury history...guess I overestimated some people.  

On 8/5/2022 at 10:43 PM, 1984Echoes said:

Oh... do you mean like Spencer Turnbull? Or Tarik Skubal? Or Ty Alexander? Beau Brieske? Kody Clemens? Dillon Dingler or Wenceel Perez (whoops, gotta wait another year for those two...)?

Most of these guys wouldn't be on the major league roster of any other team.  While most of these guys are gritty and easy ones to pull for, that doesn't necessarily translate into quality major leaguers.  Give me the primadonna stud ballplayer over the guys that grind and grind just to make it to the majors.  If you are relying on those guys as your nucleus, you are probably in the situation the Tigers are in right now.  If your top prospects turn out like Mize and Torkelson has so far, you might as well chalk up 90 to 100 losses right now.

20 hours ago, casimir said:

Its good to see people of some fame and notoriety use their place in life and platforms to be honest that just because they can hit a fastball or drain a 3 and get paid handsomely for it, it doesn’t mean that they are anyone else is immune to times of difficulty.  “Hey, I’m going through this, but I’m working through it with professionals, and if anyone reading this needs help, go find it, the resources are out there.”  You have to appreciate people that will open up like that.

It's amazing.  You really have to step up and salute the guy; quitters are amazing.  He should have a statue erected in front of every regular person's house.  Can you imagine telling your boss that you are taking the rest of the year off because you don't feel like working?  Because if the majority of us tried pulling that, we would be fired the next day.  Sorry, but everyone else has personal issues they need to deal with and still go to work (if you work), because if many people didn't, they wouldn't be able to feed their family.  Sorry if I don't shed a tear over an entitled athlete's tribulations.  Who doesn't love entitled people complaining about their entitled lives.  The guy isn't a hero for quitting.  

I agree.  I think 200 will be the new great benchmark for pitchers to hit.  

It's interesting to see if Verlander can get to 300 wins.  He sits at 242 and is pitching as well as he ever has.  He will be 40 at the beginning of next season.  I know one of his goals is to get to 300 wins, but 58 wins at his age will be difficult.  It would seem he would need to pitch another 4 seasons at the bare minimum to reach 300.

If he does make it, I am 99.9% sure he will be the last pitcher to ever get to that mark.  Greinke has 223 and is washed up.  Scherzer has 199 but is 38 and often injured.   Kershaw has 192 and is still an effective pitcher, but he has battled countless injuries the last few years.  He's only 34 and is exactly 50 wins behind Verlander.  He would need to average 13.5 wins if he pitched until he was 42.  

After Kershaw, Gerrit Cole has 127 wins but will be 32 in a few weeks.  Even if he averaged 20 wins per season until he was 40, he still wouldn't get to 300.

With the way pitchers are being used and the injuries that seem to be happening to everyone, Verlander and Kershaw would seem to be the last 2 guys to have a shot at 300.  

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

If the FO had been right about Schoop, Candelario, Castro, Barnhart, Grossman, Meadows, and Mize/Skubal/Faedo/Rodriguez don't go down, this might have been a successful year

So they only needed 10 players to be exactly opposite of what they were and they would have been successful?  That is a lot of misses.

It seems like the Tigers face Cy Young candidates every game.

Might already be the team's best offensive player.

6 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

That is what people remember about him in Houston, not for winning one World Series with a ridiculously stacked team.

It is his legacy, and he could have put a stop to it at any time.  I get it that it wouldn't have been a popular thing to do with his players but he was in charge and the blame ultimately falls on him.  And when he gets fired in the near future after failing to do much with the Tigers, he might be viewed as just that guy who only won because his team cheated.  Fair or not.

I am curious how people view Sparky Anderson around here.  I know there is some sentiment that anyone could have won with the Big Red Machine, even though winning the WS is really, really tough.  In Detroit, do people think he is an underachiever who could only take his stacked team to the playoffs 2x?  I was pretty young in the 80s, so I don't have much of an opinion.

1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said:

Hinch's reputation is

I would say it is more being an unethical, cheating low-life...or not having any control over the clubhouse and being inept in reigning in his players.

It's beyond comprehension how he didn't receive a lifetime suspension.  And with the view that managers really don't have that much control over anything, what was the point of the Tigers even hiring him?

11 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

but it continues to baffle me how they can acquire and turn trash into treasure.

Does it baffle you how the Tigers can trade All-Stars and Future HOFers for a dumpster of trash?

Torkelson 13-70, with 5 extra base hits.  Obviously I haven't seen any of his at bats but I wonder if he just needs to start from the beginning with his mechanics?

22 minutes ago, casimir said:

But hey, if you like watching out of shape has beens fail on the field but smile pretty in the dugout for the camera, enjoy yourself.

What's the difference watching him try to jog down to first base after a weakly hit ball to shortstop or watching any of the other players on the roster have horrible at bats.  You really think anyone other than Greene or Baez will even be on this roster in 2 years?

He doesn't bring anything more or less than any other offensive player on the roster; outside of Baez and Greene, there isn't an offensive guy on this team that is a legit major leaguer.  This team has been playing out the string since the end of May.  I don't care one way or the other if Cabrera ever plays again, but what difference does it make if he or some other guy who can't hit major league pitching plays?

Some posters make it sound like Cabrera is blocking some amazing guy down in the minors from getting playing time.  But yea, it is much more exciting watching Badoo, Cameron, Schoop, Candelario, Clemens, Barnhardt, etc. go out there and play riveting baseball.  Anyone that has shown anything in the minors would have had his chance in Detroit by now. 

All I am saying is maybe they could show a bit of respect for him.  The 3 greatest Tigers are Cobb, Kaline, and Cabrera.  Avila and Chris Ilitch made sure the last few productive years of his career were spent on garbage teams battling it out for 4th place.  This team isn't going to be competitive for at least 5 years, so Cabrera hitting .260 or some other guy who wouldn't be on the big league roster of 29 other major league teams striking out and looking overmatched isn't going to make any difference at all.

The problem with having such a long stretch of pathetic baseball is that a whole generation of fans tend to lose interest in baseball.  I grew up in the 90s and, although I loved to play baseball, I never followed the Tigers because what the hell was the point?  They were a 3rd rate franchise always battling it out for last place in their division.  Other than the home run record chase, I really didn't pay any attention to major league baseball at all until around 2010.  I am near the point of not caring anymore.  I might catch a game here or there.  I am in a fantasy baseball league so that is really the only reason I pay attention to baseball at all.  My son has no interest in watching or following the Tigers.   Mike Ilitch didn't care if the franchise ever won for the first 15 years he owned them and his son has zero interest in building a winner.  The Fords don't care if the Lions ever win and I only catch the highlights now to see how many dumb things Dan Campbell will do during a game.  I don't care about the NBA or hockey, so I am pretty much done with pro sports.  I am not saying this to get pity , but because I think a lot of people feel this way: why spend any time on a franchise if the owners don't really care and don't try to win.  The owners are going to make money regardless of the level of competence of the product they put out there because of the television contracts, but they are driving away potential young fans and people like me who can certainly find better things to do with my time.    

Why put Cabrera on the IL?

Some people still want to watch him play before he retires.   Who else does this franchise have to take his place?  Willi Castro?  Some other guy who hits around .200 with no power?  So many options.  Just let him play because this team isn't doing anything for the next 5 years. 

There is no point in being mad at Avila any longer.  He has already proven he can't perform at least in a below average capacity at his position.  I believe he was trying to the best of his abilities and skills, he just isn't capable.  Now it is all on Ilitch's shoulders; it's his fault now for allowing him to continue at his position.

On 8/7/2022 at 2:38 PM, 1984Echoes said:

When was the last time our farm system was producing this much?

A lot of those guys only made it to MLB because of injuries or pure ineptitude by the major league roster.  In a more competent organization, those guys never make it to the majors.  Many are there by necessity.  

So why yes, they came up and played on the Tigers, but what did they accomplish while they were on the roster, and what is their long term outlook?  I prefer quality over quantity.