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49 minutes ago, TP_Fan said:

cant judge Campbell though.  Too early.  Not his fault. 

Can judge Campbell.  It is too early. It is his fault.

The maybe difference here (vs other leagues) is that it's owned by Fox Sports.  I think we all know that a big huge part of how professional sports are funded are the media deals.  The fact that the media is the league might make a difference.

Now, obviously the league will ultimately stand or fall based on fan interest, but the fact that the media is directly involved eliminates part of the process.  The league doesn't have to worry about promoting itself enough to attract a media outlet... the league is the media outlet.

This doesn't eliminate all the obstacles, obviously, but there's a least a bit more of a stream lined process.  Fox will do with the league what makes the most sense from a media perspective which will hopefully make it more successful in a media format, which will bring in the dollars to keep it going... hopefully.

All that said I'm not optimistic that it'll catch on, but we'll see.

I'd honestly love 

8 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

But own market.........They are the MICHIGAN Panthers, not the Detroit Panthers. 

NFL is getting pissy already over Panthers.   The USFL had it first.  

Possible venues include.....

 

Jimmy John's Field in Utica,   Cap. 4,500

Wayne State (Tom Adams Field)  Cap. 6,439  (where do they get 39 from.......can squeeze an extra body in there?)

Rynearson Stadium (EMU)  Cap  30,000

Keyworth Stadium (DCFC - Hamtramck)  Cap. 7,933

Silverdome Parking lot -  The ground can't be any harder than it was with a layer of carpet on a slab of cement.  

I'd honestly love to see them play over here on the west side of the state... I just don't think it's likely.

In some ways Lubbers stadium would be perfect... ~10K capacity... big enough to fit a lot of fans, not too big that it seems empty if you don't have huge numbers.  The field is also a pretty nice field.

But in other ways it would be really bad... 15 minute drive from the major population area.  Getting on and off campus during busy times is horrendous and not huge amounts of parking.  Very little stadium improvements in terms of concessions and probably would need to work out something to serve alcohol.

My guess would be Keyworth Stadium. I suspect it would relatively cheap to get in there vs. Ford Field and it's right in Detroit area vs. Rynearson.  If the USFL ends up being wildly successful, then maybe it'll move to EMU... and if it become even more successful than that... Ford Field??

Which of course brings up another interesting speculation question.  According to Wikipedia, the stadium is owned by Detroit/Wayne County Stadium Authority, but is operated by the Lions.  If you were the Lions and, let's say 5 years down the line the USFL is pretty successful and the Panthers in particular are doing well... do you allow them to play in Ford Field (assuming the contract that Lions have allows them to refuse various things)?

Hmm... well, I guess we know they won't be playing in GR at least the first year:  https://www.foxsports.com/stories/other/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-united-states-football-league-spring-2022

I would be surprised to see if in Grand Rapids.  There really aren't any good football stadiums around here that I can think of... The best option would probably be GVSU but that's in Allendale, a 15 minute drive west of GR.

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

USFL announced their 8 teams..............and the Michigan Panthers are one of them 

 

AWESOME !!!!!!

 

 

Where will they play?   Don't know yet.    I'd bet on Wayne State, but the MICHIGAN Panthers could mean Grand Rapids too. 

Woot!  Finally, a professional football team in the state! 🙂

Wait, so we'd have a Hutch and a Hock on the team?

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

One last thought about this game though.....

The reports out now are that Goff supposedly hurt himself on the long throw early in the game. But they just happened to have a new super jumbo run formation prepped for this game because they *hadn't* already committed to Goff not throwing much? 

Well, it would be the sign of a good coaching staff to look at the opposition (Steelers in lower half of the league in rushing yards allowed, 26th in yards per carry), look at your own team (Goff = bad), and at the weather (cold, rainy/snowy) and figure that it might be good to have a run heavy playset for this game.

It's just odd to think that a Lions staff would adjust their game plan this much for these reasons, no?

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I'm not sure how to feel after this game. I haven't seen a game like this in a while. 

They won't be 0-17.  I'll take it.

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On 10/2/2021 at 12:53 PM, Jason_R said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/pzypww/the_detroit_lions_havent_won_a_game_with_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I mean... it's not really surprising.  Stafford was a "franchise QB" and was more than good enough that he didn't need to be replaced, so from the time he took over the starting position he would have been the starting QB for all the time.  Any time he wasn't the start we'd have our backup in and the team was often not good enough to win with their starter. Any NFL team will struggle with their backup in and especially the Lions.  

So it isn't a statistic that would be terrible startling.  But it is still interesting to think about.  Maybe the most interesting thing about it is that we had a very good QB for a long time.  The last time we had the same QB starting for 5 years in a row?  Bobby Layne.  Yikes!

On 10/28/2021 at 3:53 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Slick - but isn't it illegal to be in motion toward the LOS before the snap?

Not on defense.  That happens quite often.

On 11/3/2021 at 1:40 PM, Hongbit said:

 

 

You saw an perfect opportunity, you took your shot... and it was glorious...

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

He's really not far off from being an 80 catch 1,000 yard receiver. If he were a WR, that would be fine production but since he's a TE there is an expectation that he must be among the best ever. 

I don't think (most) people judging him based on that.  They're judging him based on the pick location... which is value when evaluating the front office, but not when evaluating the player.

As long as we understand that saying: "He's never going to be worthy of where they picked him" isn't saying he's a bad player, only that the front office was bad for picking him there -- then it's it's a fine evaluation to make. 

I think Hock is, and can be a top 10 TE for a number of years and that makes him a valuable player on a team... especially a team so devoid of talent right now. But I think it would also be very valid to say we're not getting the value from that spot in the draft that we should.

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

How is everyone feeling about Hock?  

He confuses me.  No doubt that he’s been pretty good.  Had we taken him in the 3rd round then I’d consider him a great pick.   The problem is that I don’t see him ever becoming the Kelce or Waller super athletic game changer that was expected when picking him so high.  
It’s weird, he’s not a bust but he’s a bust for where he was taken in the draft.    How do they reconcile this when he comes due for his next contract?   Does he get a pay raise even though he has underachieved his draft position and the contract that goes with it?   

I think he could be worthy of a low 1st round pick, like 23-32 range on a better team.  Right now he's the only real receiving threat and teams know that.  Combined with Goff as the QB and I don't think we're seeing what Hock can be.  I suspect that he'll never quite live up to high first round status.

23 hours ago, chasfh said:

People talking about how cutting such and such a player will free up cap space to sign FAs over the summer, but serious question: what premier free agent would sign a contract to come to Detroit anytime soon?

Fernando Vina?

But yeah, you're right... I mean the only people who are coming to Detroit are those who can't get signed anywhere else.  Maybe someone who's looking to make a comeback or an aging veteran who's looking for one more pay check.

Given the nature of the NFL there's no one who's going to sign a long term deal right now hoping that he can ride the Lions up because any given game can be the last game played in the NFL.

I know we have a movies thread talking about good movies we saw or want to see... thought it might be fun to have a thread for talking about BAD movies we've seen.

I watched Shadow in a Clouds this weekend.  Wow was that horrible.  Seemed like it wanted to be three different movies all in one and pretty much failed at all three.  I didn't think it was going to be a great film, but thought it would be much better than it was.  Horrible... and not even in a campy way, just plain bad.

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I mean, every fan on a message forum is a better in game manager. If he never went for it on 4th down and kicked the FG and lost 44-9 instead, we would be talking about his decisions not to go for it. This is a bad team that lost what few good players it had to season ending injuries. The defense can't hold leads and the offense can't score quickly, you have to go for it. This team can't sustain drives regularly and can't stop teams consistently. 

I honestly liked going for it on 4th down.  The team needed a major spark and I didn't think going into half time 17-3 was going to make them think: "Hey, we're in this... just keep getting those FGs and we'll lick them Eagles!"

On the other hand, if you convert that 4th down, and then you push and get a TD, that's something to build on.  Then it's 17-7 and you can say: "Hey, we had a horrible half... we let them push us around too much, but we stood up tall at the end... let's go out and do more of that!"

A FG consolation prize at the end of the half just doesn't seem like a motivator to me.

Having said that, I HATED that they went empty backfield and shotgun.  That lets the defense automatically not have to worry about a heavy push at the line.  That I thought was a big mistake.

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I think the sports world has gone insane. You can do all the analytics back to 1933 and it still doesn't tell you whether that particular day on that field, *your* RT is handling *their* LDE or instead getting manhandled by him better than your own offensive co-ordinator looking at the play by play shots in real time. There are some things in life where each event is essentially a  'one of' and statistical analysis on those things can only have limited value.

Well, it depends on how the analytics are done of course.  Are you looking at all teams or just the Lions? Are you looking at more modern era or older games?  And of course, the more narrow the focus, the more accurate it might be in terms of matching your team/situation, but it also means that there's more room for noise causing the results to be imperfect.

And I think we also need to know how much value is being put on analytics vs. observation.  Is Campbell looking at a situation and letting analytics overrule all other advice from his staff?  If so, that's bad.  Or is it just one more data point used in the decision making?  If so, that's probably good... depending on how much weight that data point is and how good the analytics team is.

I still think the Lions will luck into at least one win... but I'm not going to be surprised at all if they go 0-17.

I was talking with my brother last night and it seems to me that the Lions are going into games where they should have a chance too uptight and worried.  It feels like in games where we just don't have any realistic shot that they play loose and free and make plays and don't worry about losing because there's no way they're supposed to win.

But so of their worst games this year have been against teams we thought they might have a shot of winning against: The Bears, the Bengals, and the Eagles.

43 minutes ago, buddha said:

eric hipple?

Did you look it up or was that just a guess?  You are correct either way.

Trivia question based on career TDs... Who is the QB who's thrown the most TDs for the Lions and only for the Lions?  That is, he didn't throw a TD for any team other than the Lions.  (This means Stafford isn't qualified obviously because he's thrown a TD for another team. )

9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Eh... Not to take away from Brady's amazingness... but honestly that list is of older era QBs when the pass wasn't as all important as it is now.  Comparing Brady to some more modern era guy and while still impressive isn't as "shocking."
 

Rodgers: 447, Favre: 508, Manning: 539, Brees: 571... in fact the first person on this list, Elway, is ranked 13th on the TD all time leader list.

All that said, I am surprised at how much higher Brady is than the great Kyle Orton.  I suspect that the NFL will be breaking into coverage in other games when Brady is close to TD number 607... there by passing Orton by more than 6x as much.

46 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Goff is playing as poor as I’ve ever seen a Lion QB.  
 

No ability to avoid the rush, careless decisions where to throw,  doesn’t protect the ball and fumbles easily , and absolutely no ability to look down the field.  All he does is checkdown.   They call PI on every other play in this league but Goff can’t even get the ball downfield to give them a chance at a cheap flag.  
 

He’s absolutely among the worst QB’s in the NFL and will most likely be out of football when his Lion contact is finished.  

I think it's far to say that some of that is on the super weak WR crew... part of it.  A lot of it is still on Goff... most of it.