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So you're questioning my intelligence. Good to know. Thank you. And have a good night.

This is your reference data on Olson so far. But I have questions: Is excellent/ rarely a bad game a historical data set? Or predictive? Can I measure them? Please provide those measurements. Or statistics. Or are you ONLY referencing "excellent" and "rarely a bad game" as your statistical measurements?

Please provide REAL DATA that indicate Olson's pitching EXCELLENCE. I provided Baseball Savant and Fangraphs. You scoffed. I'm waiting... Waiting... Waiting...

And I thought you were smart enough to recognize sarcasm. I guess not.

Show me a quote where I stated he sucks. It doesn't exist. Please stop putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

Also... Don't you LOVE going old school?!?! !!! 😁

I never said that. I said it will be an open competition in ST 2027. Open to ALL competitors. Wolf is a competitor. As is Olson. As is Montero Melton Jobe Ryan etc., etc., etc... I did NOT guarantee Wolf a rotation spot. And I did NOT state that Olson is NOT a rotation candidate. Please find me a quote where I am saying that. I specifically stated that I offer NO guarantees whatsoever. The only CERTAINTIES being stated in here are that Olson is our BEST starter and is 100% GUARANTEED a rotation spot in 2027. And I'm not the one stating that. Right?

Which is why he is 13-19 in 53 career starts. Because he is... excellent.

Talk about absolutely absurd. "Let's get real"? Is that the pitch data you are referencing that says Olson's stuff is elite? The "Let's get real" data that says Olson is 100% guaranteed (if healthy) to be in next year's rotation? Against all competitors? Only in your minds. NOT in reality. 2027 will be an open competition for rotation spots. Book it. Now THAT'S getting real.

If he can still be optioned to Toledo... IMO... He would be a GREAT 6th starter for us, at Toledo, working on regaining command and control, innings, etc... Because who would be better than Olson to call up as a 6th starter? Unless he outduels everyone for the 3rd or 4th starter position and the losers (Ryan & Wolf & Madden & Anderson... just as examples) end up in the bullpen... Then good for him. But if I were to consider who I would most want as a 6th starter just sitting in Toledo awaiting a callup (for a start, or to replace someone for a month in the rotation, just as examples...). I would be ECSTATIC if Olson proved to be that best fit/ option. Just my 2 cents.

Here's what I am going to say about Spring Training 2027, in its most general terms possible: Now of course this is just my opinion, but... I believe ST 2027 will be an OPEN COMPETITION for rotation spots. Nobody is guaranteed anything. Maybe Valdez simply because of his contract and "Veteran", but that could also be possibly "provisional" in the sense that he might lose his spot due to an unforeseen injury or... a trade? Highly improbable he will be moved in a trade to any team. But... just sayin' (in order to "cover all bases"). So I will just say (IMO) he is 95% in our 2027 rotation. But all other competitors, yes, including Reese Olson, Jackson Jobe, River Ryan, Keider Montero, Troy Melton, Andrew Sears, Jackson Wolf, Drew Anderson & Ty Madden and anyone else who wants to toss their hat into this ring... Will have to EARN a 2027 rotation spot. Again... just my opinion. But Olson is guaranteed NOTHING. Neither are any of the other candidates. The only other thing I have to say is...: May the best 5 win.

Ranked by whom as elite? "Summary: Olson’s 2025 season was solid for a young starter, with strong ERA and WHIP but below-average strikeout rates. His K% and BB% were near or above MLB averages, and his FIP was slightly better than his ERA, suggesting some luck in his ERA. His velocity and strikeout rates were solid, but his HR/FB% was high, indicating a need to improve contact rates." Baseball Savant (Reese Olson Stats: Statcast, Visuals & Advanced Metrics | baseballsavant.com) Pitching Run Value, average (53/100). FB RV: below average (39/100). Breaking Ball RV: slightly above average (62/100). Offspeed RV: above average (74/100). xERA compared to league average (43/100). xBA (42/100). FB Velo (50/100). Exit Velo (3/100 at 91.5 = LOTS of hard contact comparatively). Hard Hit % (16%). He has some chase and whiff at 77% and 80%... and also below average K and Walk Rates (compared to league average at 51 & 36). Fangraphs: Reese Olson - Career Pitching Splits | FanGraphs Baseball Elite? Show me. With data, not your memory. Talk about "blowin' smoke"... His stuff, objectively, is NOT elite. Take a look at the data. He is above average in a couple areas, that's it.

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Well... I don't think it's wrong to call BS when it appears that BS has been spotted. I mean, go ahead and tell me it's not BS and Olson is a Superior MLB Pitcher that deserves a guaranteed rotation spot on the Tigers 2027 roster. Sorry... but I'm calling bull****. But... Yes... Maybe I should... Lay off the Dr. Pepper... ?

Olson over 3 years: 13-19 record, 3.60 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, average 18 starts/ year, average <100 innings per year. He's proven nothing except that he belongs at the back end of a rotation. Everyone's efforts to talk Olson up as the Next Greatest Thing are absurd. And laughable. I don't know what has hoodwinked everyone into believing Olson is The NEXT GREATEST Thing... but he isn't. Prior year's versions of Montero were not better than Olson. But the 2026 version of Montero is better. If 2027 Montero regresses to worse than a 1.10 WHIP and Olson somehow improves to better than a 1.10 WHIP than you can make your argument. Yes, I know WHIP is not the be-all end-all, but I'm starting there. UNTIL then, Montero is better than Olson. And Olson will have to PROVE it on the field in order to take Montero's rotation spot. Who are you trying to bull****? What you are telling me, right here, right now, is that Olson is GUARANTEED the #2 spot in next year's rotation behind Valdez. Seriously? I'm calling BULL****. Rotation spots will be EARNED in the 2027 Spring Training and I don't see ANY spot GUARANTEED. Please try to argue again that Olson has a GUARANTEED rotation spot and that having to "earn" it is absurd. I would LOVE to hear your reasoning why Olson's 2027 rotation spot is GUARANTEED. By whom? Hinch? Fetter? Or a bunch of Motown Morans? Which is what everyone here is trying to BS me with. I'm calling BULL****.