1984Echoes

Yeah... this too.

And I'll wager naziholic doesn't have the balls to come in here and admit how completely and totally the Brainless **** of a Moron that he voted in as President has ****ed this up.

We signed a UDFA linebacker (Saturday night or Sunday... Erick Hunter, so already known...): For $3 mill.: Lions Make Big Financial Commitment to Land Athletic Rookie LB So my guess is... they think pretty highly of him making the 53-man roster would be my guess. Probably as a special teamer to begin with and then... expand his role eventually? Seems to be quite a commitment to a UDFA... Unless these numbers are incorrect?

Brad Holmes said he had considered moving up in the 1st to get Miller so I think you are correct... Somehow, he must have gotten enough intel that indicated Miller would fall to them at 17 so he didn't need to make a move. I think you are spot on with Baltimore...

Workman has NEVER had bat-to-ball skills... IIRC, prior to this season he's been pretty much a .220 hitter... in college and in the minors. What gives?

Why are we bringing Reggie White into this conversation? He was a 6'5" 295 # monster of a DE. Both Derrick Moore at 6'4" 255 and Maxx Crosby at 6'5" 255 do NOT resemble him at all. Ridiculous.

My "frame rate" perception has slowed down terribly at my age. I can see clearly at a specific distance to my eyes. I used to be 20/20 and never noticed any adjustment from distance to "close-up". But now, it seems like it takes my eyes a minute or two to adjust to a change in depth so distance looks "fuzzy" to me (I'm no longer 20/20), but worse, movement by an object and my eyes cannot adjust quickly enough. I REALLY noticed this 15 years ago when we were playing lunchtime wiffle ball and my eyes were just NOT adjusting to the wiffle ball coming in fast enough to get a good swing. Only at the very last second was the wiffle ball clear enough to me that I could recognize spin, or lack thereof, or anything.

Similarly... I believe everyone here has stated that there is no reason to sign any of Greene, Tork, or Carpenter to a second contract. But let's test that theory (and I'll even add in Casey Mize to this little exercize): Said X Player _____ _____ tells the Tigers they are willing to sign a 3-4 year contract at a "hometown discount". Who says no to that: The player (meaning the player will NOT be open to a short hometown discount contract with the Tigers) or the Tigers? We know Skubal is an absolute no to that because he and Boras are single-minded bent on testing the free agent market. But of the following players, who says no to that, the player, the team, and/or the fans? Casey Mize, 3 years below market deal: Who says no: Casey ____ ? Tigers _____ ? Motown Morons ______ ? Kerry Carpenter, 3 years below market deal: Who says no: Kerry ____ ? Tigers _____ ? Motown Morons ______ ? Riley Greene, 4 years below market deal: Who says no: Riley ____ ? Tigers _____ ? Motown Morons ______ ? Torkelson, 3 years below market deal: Who says no: Tork ____ ? Tigers _____ ? Motown Morons ______ ?

Yaya Diaby: 6'4" 270, decent but not great pass-rusher. Maxx Crosby: 6'5" 255, nasty, aggressive mauler as a pass-rusher, not quite as good as an edge setter. Averages 10 sacks per year, 38 QB pressures per year, 3 passes defensed per year. Derrick Moore: 6'4" 255, nasty, aggressive mauler as a pass-rusher, not quite as good as an edge setter. Had 10 sacks last year with UM in 12 games, and 41 QB pressures and 3 PD's. Moore may not "become" Maxx Crosby 2.0... but I think his play "style" is far more similar to Crosby than anyone else. Including Diaby. I'm placing my expectations on DM at Maxx Crosby 2.0. Sorry if some people on here get upset by that.

I'm going to be interested in following Moore's career. He's phenomenal as a pass-rusher but needs to be coached up in the "setting-the-edge" department. I believe (from the scouting reports). Or maybe he just needs to add 10 pounds of muscle. Nearly (1/8" off) 6'4", 255 pounds (add 10 for 265)... I think a Maxx Crosby 2.0 may be even beyond our expectations... Or does anyone else want to drink this koolaid? The thought popped up in my head this morning... So what does everyone else think? I'm going to pop this thread up to the top... every now and then... based on Derrick's career ups and downs...

+1 more: UDFA Aidan Keanaaina is a DT.

Verlander when he gets back? Melton when he gets back (a little later...)?

Not just darts... There was some MAD movement on all his pitches. Fast (darts) and furious (wild movement like a tornado...) is a deadly combination!

If we're talking about a 1st round DE pick... Then we're hoping the right OT slides to within our #50 range and Brad can go get him, one way or another. Now the list is Iheanachor (but only if he slides), Lomu (same), or maybe someone like Gennings Dunker, Caleb Tiernan...? PS: Would you trade a 2027 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder this year at or near the top of the round? It's a risk for us that if we don't finish in the 28-ish to 30-ish range that we gave up too much value... But let's say it guarantees that Brad can pick one of Miller, Lomu or Iheanachor at the top of the 2nd (and we use #50 elsewhere...). Is it worth it?

I like the Dunlap comp... That would probably be best case scenario and I would be all for that... Davenport would probably be the downside comp but he's been derailed with too many injuries. Same type of player though... Can NOT anticipate or expect that (injury filled career) from a new draftee so I would hope for more of a Dunlap-type career, or as close to that as he can get...