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True. But Raymond did make the team after signing his entry level contract and Seider was not held back either other than spending the covid year playing in Europe. Not sure why they have been so conservative lately.

Any chance Buium makes the team out of camp next year? He's the same age as Edvinsson. Also, the fact Denver shut down a loaded Boston College team in the championship game is encouraging. I know his brother is top prospect but Shai was right there with him in +/- on the season.

Yzerman is working from a really tough position not having a top center to build around. Other players would fit their role so much better if we had that guy. I heard Matt Shepherd say today that fans tend to overrate the players on the team they root for. I agree with him on this as a general rule of thumb. I am not a hockey whiz but I have started following it closer in recent years and I wonder if a guy like Seider is really worth 8.5 million. That's just outside the top 10 in salary for defensiveman. I really don't think Yzerman has any choice but to pay him and hope he keeps developing. But I do wonder if we are overrate our own players.

Hard to swallow missing the playoffs again. Yzerman needs to find ways to continue to upgrade.

He’s not aggressive enough scoring. He has too much of a point guards mentality. I agree it’s a problem. He needs to be taking something close to 25 shots per game. If his shot is legitimately improved, which I think it is, he should be averaging 30 per game.

I still think Cade is deferring too much. The assist numbers are nice but I would rather have him be more aggressive as a scorer the first three quarters of games.

That was too bad. Ivey looks like his technique and effort on defense are getting a lot better but really got screwed on that one.

14 shots is not enough for Cade.

Cade and Ivey with some tough foul calls against them tonight. Officiating is poor to say the least.

And when you read NBA trade rumors, its seems like Ivey is the guy other teams want (knowing Cade is not even worth asking about). Probably an indicator of some coaching issues like you say.

Seems Ivey has more value to a team that does not have Cade. Neither are point guards but they both still need the ball more than your average two guard. Now might be a good time to trade him.

Jrue Holiday was a big loss for them. He set the tone on defense and I think was more important than the organization realizes. We'll see if the trade works out for them in the playoffs.

No reason to continue watching this game.

It's still the first half but the Pistons have been more competitive the last couple of weeks, at least to my eyes. Still not very good but not the pushovers we were during the losing streak.

It's just too early to say we should trade him before we have to pay him though. He's played 87 games and came in as one of the youngest players in the draft. We have two years after this year before we have to decide if he is worth paying. I would much rather see what he becomes and then decide whether to pay him than to trade him sooner rather than later so we don't have to worry about paying him.