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If I could make a humble suggestion, leave the timing of pulling our starter pitcher (and the choice of who replaces him) to anyone other than Hinch/Fetter....they are a clean 0 for the season now. (Mostly kidding...but it has been bad) We have 3 starters with WHIPs of .9 to 1.1, and ERAs around 5 thanks to whoever replaces them at the wrong time (the other starter was a TJ recovery/1st game back guy... that was allowed to go out for the 3rd after allowing 7 baserunning the first 2 innings and being at 50 pitches...leading to a 7 spot in the 3rd). Our 4 starters got the 'benefit' of the relievers going 5 for 5 on their inherited runners scored...and then adding on another almost half dozen on top. I think Hinch and Fetters are a pretty good tandem, but if coaches got WAR states, they would probably be last on the team right now. Sidenote: After a couple years of watching the decisions, it is also a little tiring how Hinch always manages our pitching and lineup in the game(s) ahead of a Houston series such that the best version of us plays in these games...we have 1 win in a game before a Houston series to date and always seem to be in a mess after. I mean is TJ Turnbull really our #2 guy/home-opener choice? Or is he just the guy plunked there so that Boyd-Manning-ERod can be the Houston threesome for the series before the home opener? ...or perhaps I'm just seeing things (but mostly I saw Schoop, Kreidler, Cabrera all together on the bench to start a game for the first time this year)

Seems low, but they may be playing the numbers, Haase was .576 OPS against RH starters last year, .580 for his career. Seems to be his main career Achilles problem offensively. (I'd still prefer him a hit s bit higher myself regardless)

Lots of good news this off season for Mud Hen fans! Go Toledo!

Given our location, outlook and fence situation...perhaps the opposite is also true, lol.

I totally agree.

You didn't answer the question. You are trading Madden for 5 Englerts? My statement was Madden is/was 5x better. "Fortunately" we have them both now, and your horse is front of the line to MLB...and everything in baseball is measurable. WAR isn't perfect here, but an easy comp...I will go on record saying Madden logs 5x the WAR of Englert in his career. Or better yet, let's tell the league we are looking to move Englert and Madden...$10 says the haul for Madden is at least 5x better.

That would be great, lol. All I am saying, is I'd just rather not give them their shots in reverse order of talent/deservidness. Ok I will just leave it at that...we are definitely chasing our own tails and I don't want to turn this into a thing. I'm now excited to see the great Mason Englert pitching this April...future main cog in the rotation for the World Series champion Tigers.

I do get and appreciate what you are saying here. I belive he is actually blocking people, but that really is a debatable point between us. However, let's not get confused here. What he is really taking the place of (along with all the other 'great' talents we have rule 5 drafted and 'traded' other MLB players for) ...is the club spending any money.

So you would trade Ty Madden for 5 Mason Englerts? 15% better peripherals is the difference between an all-star and lineup filler.

Yes. So for him to get a shot..it has to be at the MLB level over our guys that are more ready...and a guy with 3 AA starts, and another team's 29th best prospect. On our depth chart for SP he would slot around 17th?

Care to articulate over belittling?

The cliche implies 'good' pitching...in this case, the talent is sub par to his peers...but he is to be tolerated on the major league roster all year in order to build depth and/or have a lottery ticket. If a move ever screamed "lost year upcoming" this is it. Make the case Ty Madden shouldn't be on the active roster as a starter over Mason Englert if he is such a future MLBer. Same age, Madden is a round 1 that has 5x better results to date...and more experience above A ball (albeit marginally). Don't like Madden as an example? We have 10 other SP names that have yet to get flushed out we already have...when will we be getting them their full season shot? 2024...year 8 of the rebuild? 2025? Can you guarantee they will all have decent sample size starting opportunities between Mize, Skubal, Manning, Turnbull, Jobe, Boyd, Manning after next year? I've been a defender of the club for the first years of this rebuild...but the moves so far scream "We are waiting out Cabrera's contract while all our 'tank picks' hopefully get healthy and play to their slot"

My annoyance isn't so much with Justyn-Henry Malloy or his prospect status...its the fact we are clearly now in rebuild year 7. Yippee we are getting some teams #11, #25th, 38th best prospects and we are bottom feeding the rule 5. Harris says on day 1 we need to fill holes at catcher, 3rd, OF. Now a couple months later, its 'lets go with haase/rogers at C, an unproven AA prospect at 3rd, and a still nothing I'in the OF'...while at the same time it's 'maybe Cabrera will take the field again' and we are too cheap to hold onto 40% of our bullpen (that was our only decent thing last year finishing 8th in the league). I mean...yay Tigers baseball 2023?

For us, yes, we have a zillion guys with a ceiling of 'mid rotation guy' (thinking he can be a 3 is a bit generous...maybe 4 if you squint hard enough IMO). The risk is he eats up a live roster spot all year...and better players don't get their shot.

I understand the line of thought, but we would be putting a guy who has a total of 3 games at AA on the Major League roster all year...so we can stash him in AAA and he can be like 15th on the depth chart? What us the risk vs reward matrix here?