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23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They do get short changed due to short careers and not a lot of games played per season.  They get undervalued by WAR too for the same reasons.  I don't think Perez belongs though, not with guys like Freehan and Munson still waiting,    

Do you think the HOF should be where players are measured against their peers who played in the same general years?  Or just everyone ever?

As an example, Parrish would be competing more against guys like Fisk and Carter, etc. In that example and not guys like Perez or Posey.

I'm also thinking the expectations of the pitcher counting stats, namely wins is going to look a lot different.  

Kershaw might be the last guy to get to 200 wins.  Especially with all the injuries and game and inning limits.  There's only 3 guys under 200 wins that have at least 120.  Cole and Sale might be the last guys to have a shot for quite a while. Skubal has 48 career wins at 28.  

i know wins doesnt carry the value as a pitcher stat as iti used to, but the number that stands out now might be 150.

30 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Since Scott Rolen made it, I’d think Nolan Arenado should be a lock.  

I'm wondering if voters still have the Colorado player bias.  It took Todd Helton 6 tries on the ballot to get in the HOF.

I also feel that if Scott Rolen is the new benchmark, then Arenado, Goldschmidt, McCutchen should all be locks along with other HOF marginal guys.

56 minutes ago, oblong said:

What about Salvador Perez?

Catchers get shortchanged in my opinion but he's been at it a long time and producing even though his C days are dwinding.  

He's on the 100% list in my post.  For whatever reason I left Trout off it.  

1 hour ago, oblong said:

Mike Trout is 100% a HOFer.

 

I forgot him on the list.  He's 100%.

I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on this are.

100%- Freeman, Altuve, Machado, Harper, Betts, Perez, Lindor, Judge, Ohtani, Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw.  Not sure if there is much debate with those guys.

I think there are arguments for the following:

Jose Ramirez, McCutchen, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Boegarts, Stanton, Trea Turner, Correa, Bergman, Seager, Martel, Bellinger, Yelich, Sale, Cole, Nola, DeGrom

Acuna, Devers, Soto, Riley all have excellent chances, although I view Devers and Vlad Jr as kind of similar to Cabrera in that they have so much natural talent but they don't even try to stay in shape.  So they might end up sucking by 33 or 34 kind of like Cabrera.

Any thoughts on any of the middle group of players?

13 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Even if we don't beat KANSAS CITY, they're going to change it.   To satisfy gamblers, too.    Gamblers HATE this stuff.   They will force starters to have to meet either an innings floor,  pitch count floor or a minimum of having to face a lineup twice.  

What is annoying about that is baseball wants the type of parity that the NFL has and will never get a salary cap and this method gives small market teams (who can't afford $30 - $40 million for a starting pitcher) a chance to be in the race. 

The Tigers don't want to start a season with 1 or 2 starters and then Blender Ball the other 3 games,  they want 4 at least legit starters.   

Will baseball force this for every game or just 4 out of 5/  

I don't think the bullpen strategy is sustainable for an entire season.  To start, the rotation was Skubal, Flaherty, Maeda, Olson, Mize with Manning in the wings.  

Next season, I believe the Tigers are bringing in starters, hopefully to go 5 or 6 innings per game.  

4 hours ago, ICroupier said:

Repeat post: "Tork sucks!"

I would have McStinky in every game over Tork.

Nothing more sad and embarrassing than a grown man calling a guy who carved out a successful career in mlb McStinky.  

1 hour ago, ICroupier said:

Nothing more embarrassing and sad than a grown man so offended by a successful young woman.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, but you do you.

9 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Yeah they'll be pleading with the Chiefs/Kelce to have Taylor Swift show up in Kaufmann. 

I really don't think baseball fans give two bleeps about some pretentious, self-absorbed crappy singer.

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Carp could probably learn 1st base but we would still need a RH bat to play there against LH pitchers. Unless we want to see Carpenter prove once and for all whether he can hit LH pitchers...

Not sure why managers do that to young players...they immediately platoon guys so they never get a chance to hit against, in this case, lefties.  It's almost like there is a rule and they have to do it or they just want to show everyone how smart they are.  I doubt if Carpenter can hit any worse against lefties than Torkelson hits overall 

I'm not surprised Foley hasn't been used since game 1 at Houston.  There's zero reason for him to throw a pitch in a high leverage situation.  He's a 3 run inning just waiting to happen

The schedule is very helpful to the Tigers.  Play a game, a day off, play a game, a day off, play 2 games, a day off, and a final game.

I'm assuming the Tigers are going with a one man rotation and then bullpen games.  Wed and Thursday will be bullpen games.  They have 11 pitchers for those two games so they should be all set and then if they have a game 5, Skubal can pitch on his 5th day.  

19 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I double posted this but it was true to the bitter end.

The last call on Fry was atrocious

Rogers has been superb in the post season

Just now, Hongbit said:

There will be an image that goes viral showing it clearly hit the ground. 

Let's see it then.

Easily a catch

  How can anyone say it wasn't?  

You can't win consistently with this garbage offense.

They will need to add some kind of bat in the offseason

If it stays scoreless, eventually, Jason Foley will have to come into the game.

10 hours ago, romad1 said:

Only Sean Casey in his latter years was as slow as Rusty Staub is now.

You must not have watched Victor Martinez or Miguel Cabrera at the end of their career.

It's not going to matter if the Tigers can't score off of Boyd.  Once the Guardians get into the bullpen, double yikes.

On 10/5/2024 at 1:18 PM, Tenacious D said:

I think it’s a brilliant thread. And well timed.

While we’re at it, would the Yankees accept Max Clark and Reese Olson for Aaron Judge and Gerrit Cole?

I would hold out for Max Clark, Reese Olson, and Casey Mize for Aaron Judge, Juan Soto, and Gerrit Cole.

I also assume most organizations have some protocol in place where a trade needs to get approvals from the owner/ president, etc. So stupid stuff like what people propose in trade threads don't happen.

Gooden got derailed because of substance abuse.  

Porcello never was even remotely close to having the pitching skill that Gooden displayed.

He stayed in the league because even high and drunk he was still better than nearly every one on the planet.

I was going through a box of old baseball cards and found a Dwight Gooden rookie card.

His 1985 season was one of the greatest pitching seasons in history.

He's one of those guys who was a what might have been...