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3 minutes ago, oblong said:

That has me wondering what the operating cost of a typical red wing game vs Tiger game? I was once told by someone who worked in “event” at Comerica that having the stadium lights on for a vent in the Tiger club was a few thousand. That’s simply the DTE initial charge to turn them on.  Like the cost of ice and maintenance vs the turf and crew at Comerica.  

A baseball stadium is physically larger - more of it is outside where sun and weather take a their toll, it takes a bigger staff to operate, and most significantly, does not bring in anything like the outside rental income LCA does (this may be the most significant difference), A baseball team also has a bigger minor league operation, much more travel expense. So the amount of revenue left after all that is probably a lot more attractive for the Wings, which is likely what the difference it the estimated value of the two franchises reflects.

24 minutes ago, oblong said:

Why is that my problem to solve?  If the players don’t get it then the owners just pocket it.  Costs will not go down if salaries went down.  The NHL doesn’t bring in the revenue that MLB does. That’s why tbeir players make less. 

 to pick up on the NHL/MLB comparison, Google tells me that the Wings generate ~$250M in revenue and the NHL salary cap is $95.5M, leaving the Wings ~$150M to cover non-salary expenses and pocket the rest. OTOH, the Tigers are estimated to have $325M in revenue and the luxury tax limit in $224M leaving ~$100M for expenses and profit, which are probably much higher for a baseball team than a hockey team.

But of course the Tigers are not near the lux tax limit, payroll last season was closer to $150M, which means they had roughly $170M left after payroll.

So if any/all of these numbers are anything near reality (and who really knows), I have a feeling it may not be a coincidence if the Tigers and Red Wings are operating with a relatively similar revenue-payroll number.

1 hour ago, Screwball said:

Great question, and my quick answer is I have no idea. Here's what it looked like today. Daily 1 minute chart. It took a **** at 12:04 just after hitting the daily high of $117.7. 

 Went down to 101.7 and has recovered some since. Still trading as I type this.

I don't follow the metal trading much, but it's different. Physical price vs. paper price and all that. Seems the gold people follow the Comex exchange. I will bet you one thing though, some make a **** load of money, and others got their ass handed to them.

It moved 10-12 percent in about 3 1/2 hours - to the downside. That's a huge swing in a short period of time. Then again, as a trader you are looking at this hockey stick and know damn well it won't last forever - what is your plan to pull the rip-cord? That's on you.

Some of the day/swing/metal traders today might have took a beating, especially with leverage/margin.

and it's all funny money. For all the downside excitement, if you bought Friday you are still ahead.

12 hours ago, chasfh said:

I was honestly asking for a clarification since so many people seem to suggest he doesn’t care about the roster or about Avila’s guys he’s inherited, but rather, only about hoarding prospects he himself is responsible for or something along those lines. I just wanted to make sure you meant what i read in your post. Thanks.

I think Harris cares enough about this roster and about winning that he is willing to keep Skubal to try to win this year, rather than trade him for more of his guys he can hoard.

I don't buy the narrative that Harris has any issue with the players he inherited at all. I think he been perfectly fair and rational in how he has handled everyone in the system since he arrived - both his and the prior picks. Nobody's been dumped, there have been no fire sales , no-one has been fast tracked that didn't earn it. I think he has tried to get as much out of everyone for the purpose of winning games that he could.

17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

My son never had any interest in playing ice hockey but I had a really good friend and his son played. He used to tell me how expensive it was as well as all the very early morning practices. 

I'm seeing a more complaints that the cost is pricing middle class kids out of youth hockey.

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Miller would be the real prize in all of this, because he's the one driving it all... but this stuff is toxic. And they all know it.

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If Trump simply returned to first term Trump I think his approval numbers would go up and he would be somewhat less of a drag for the GOP on midterm elections (should we still have them).

We are seeing the result of Trump having chased so many reasonably sane people that used to be in his orbit out of it. Oddly enough probably none with worse result than Ivanka, who being family was someone he would actually listen to, and who, despite being a spoiled wannabe, doesn't to seem to have inherited the Trump crazy gene. Of course that's no doubt the very reason she has gone to earth this term.

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Edvinsson is a top pair Defenseman at a young age.  He’s a stud.  Guys like him don’t grow on trees but they are around across the league.  

There’s one other player in the league like Quinn Hughes.  He’s a very unique talent that eats up minutes and is not even close to a liability in his end.  I don’t get valuing a great defenseman over an elite one.  

I can’t even imagine him on the PP with Larkin, Raymond, Seider, and Cat.  Lethal.  What about 3 on 3 OT.  

two counter points. The first was already mentioned - you can probably have Edvinsson for his whole career, you are only sure of a season and a half from Hughes. If you can remove that uncertainty you do drastically change the math - no argument there. Unless Yzerman or Vancouver tell us, we can only speculate how close they did or didn't come to what deal.

But aside from that, you also have to look at differentials - who is he taking off the ice? The biggest improvements come when you replace the worst players on your roster with better ones. In this proposal you take Edvinsson off the ice, so you don't get half the incremental gain you might from taking a 2nd line forward or a 2nd or 3rd pairing Dman. Practically speaking, I believe you get better results team wise replacing a bad player with a good player, than replacing a very good player with a great one. Of course if you can replace a bad one with a great one, you are golden, but you can usually only get that when you hit on your own draft picks.

All that said, I think Yzerman probably did all he could to make the for Hughes - but the cost was ending up too high.

1 minute ago, oblong said:

I think there's been a shift among the season ticket holder market.  Big time.  And it's a self inflicted.  Dynamic pricing and ease of using secondary markets.  Why commit, like I have for 30 years, for a 28 game package for a set # of games, including ****ty ones in April and Sept when it's cold, for a set price, when you can just pick and choose your own at the last minute, often for peanuts?  22 year old me may  not have made the committment I have over these years.  It's just a fixed part of my life and I'm used to it.  But younger me may have invested that in other forms of entertainment, like continuing on with golf or whatever.

Even with the Wings, I've gone to 2 games this year for $20 by waiting until around 6 pm on seatgeek.  No, the seats weren't great, but I was in the building. 

And with the casual nature of Comerica Park... just get in the stadium and you can mingle on their party decks they built... so that $10 nosebleed seat is irrelevant. Weren't sitting there anyway. 

And perhaps the Lions from the last 2-3 years killed off many potential purchases as people burned through their entertainment budgets?

Sort of chicken and egg though. The Wings fill the house, season-ticket holders know if they give them up they don't get good seats. It's easy to get good Tiger tickets because not enough are already taken. But attendance $$ isn't even the biggest  financial driver anymore - it TV ratings. It's always reported the Tiger TV ratings are good, but either they aren't that good or the market just doesn't return enough $ out of those ratings to raise the value of the team.

40 minutes ago, Stormin said:

RedWings are valued higher and bring in more income than the Tigers 

you'd have thought that would have reversed with the Tigers making two consecutive trips to the playoffs, but it seems the fans have been slow to embrace this Tiger team. I don't know if that is a baseball in general problem or just something about this Tiger team, or maybe just the messed up TV access situation.

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

edvinsson is a big, young, strong actual defenseman. 

speaking of big strong Dmen, the network guys were comparing Sieder to Chris Pronger the other night. They didn't mean to be insulting but I were Moritz I'd be insulted. He's just as good and does it without being a dirty player.

3 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

IDK, in his 1st term I'd have believed this to be likely. With his increasing unhingedness, I'm less optimistic. If it does happen, it at least means he still has some connection with reality.

1 minute ago, romad1 said:

So you are saying the Twins are left wing lunatics for posting on bsky. 

Better transit options would be great.  Surface parking is bad urbanism.

people love to bitch about the people mover and Q-line, which admittedly are poor shadows of what urban transit should be, but in the land General Motors you have to start somewhere.

another piece just came across my inbox about the bond markets from Axios/Bloomberg, pointing out a big shift in what is happening in Japan. Interest rates are finally starting to rise there - the long period of deflation ending. This is affecting bond markets everywhere, including the US, because the large carry trade out of Japan driven by ZIRP there was supporting bond markets everywhere, including the US.

58 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

 

LOL - that should send Nolan Finley right off the deep end! He wrote an OP-ED immediately after the JOA ended bitching about working for Gannett and Al Neuharth in particular.

Also probably means they want to buy the other paper to close one down despite the current statements to the contrary.

13 minutes ago, sagnam said:

Oh! I thought you meant in the draft, because Holland actually did choose Zadina over Quinn Hughes.

 

I wouldn’t have traded Edvinsson as part of a Hughes deal. If they wanted a defenseman prospect, it’s would have had to be ASP.

and Luke Hughes and Edvinsson were in the same draft but Luke was gone before Yzerman took Simon.

10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I think we may have had a few in Farmington Hills when we lived there pre 2017 or so. I thought I saw one in the sub while walking the dog a few years before, (13 mile and Haggerty)...There was a buffer area behind the house that backed up to a golf course. We would occasionally hear something like dogs (?) and deer. I'm not sure what the pack was but the sound of deer screaming was a bit scary in the late night early mornin hours. 

Back in the day the family was at 14 and Middlebelt and I would very rarely catch a glimpse of one around a little creek Middlebelt goes over between 12 and 13.

20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Thank's for installing it in my addled brain this morning.

sing Paul Simon's  'El Condor Pasa' to yourself to get rid of it.  😉

Just saw something run up the street towards the woods that looked for all the world like a coyote. We have fox in the neighborhood but this was too big and the tail was wrong. Haven't yet heard any though. If they are moving into the woods north of M-14 it should only be a matter or time before we do. 

6 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

What is it about US boarder patrol agents? The few times I've made the crossing from Canada to the US, I've found them to be jerks. Not always but it's been significant, this was well before the current situation. 

I think they operate under the theory that the more nervous they can make you the more likely you are to slip up if you actually trying to get by with something. I'm not sure the psychology research supports that idea all that well, but it is what it is.

if you want a clue as what Yzerman may have been thinking consider that QH has 57 blocks, 5(!) hits  and 20 takeaways for the season while Simon has 104,63,18. 

In giving up Simon you are not just giving up a good young player - you are giving up a player that is providing exactly the what Wings teams have been the most short of for the last 10 yrs and have had to work the hardest to get back. If the Wings were not a team that has been chronically short of toughness since he got here, I could see Yzerman being more willing to give some up for Hughes.

26 minutes ago, romad1 said:

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2026/01/24/community-members-with-rifles-stand-guard-in-minneapolis-where-armed-man-was-shot/

Militias are forming.  Yikes. 

whose side are these jokers on?

3 minutes ago, Screwball said:

Really ticks me off that yields are so low. ...., so bonds are the way to go. Short term bonds were a great play

maybe the only play other than maybe investing overseas because that's the other kicker - the way they are trying to force the Fed into easier money increases the odds of losing control of inflation - if inflation goes up, higher interest rates will have to follow and any kind of long term bond gets hammered.

12 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Welcome Chris Madel to the Revolution!

LOL - well if Trump didn't like Walz as governor of MN, he sure isn't going to like Amy.

And TBH, probably not that big a sacrifice, Trump has driven his chances of beating Klobuchar to pretty much zero. Good statement though.

12 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

None of the above.  

Would’ve been a tough move to give up on a really good young defensemen that’s only getting better but the return was arguably the  best blue liner in the league.   Hughes has put up 25 points in 21 games, has 4 games with 3+ assists, and leads the NHL in ice time since coming to the Wild.   

QH for Edvinsson - assuming that trade was available, would only have been a good move if Hughes was signed -- and if he is set on joining his brothers (which granted, we don't know for sure) he wasn't going to sign with Det.

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Expensive stocks - Like gold prices, stock-market benchmarks have been hitting record highs. Their dizzying heights are making investors nervous.

The most common way to value stocks is as a multiple of earnings. One popular measure, a cyclically adjusted version of the price-to-earnings ratios that rely on analyst forecasts of future profits, says that stocks have been more expensive only once during the past 100 years: right before the dot-com bubble burst in 2000.

In addition, the bubble in stock prices is very maldistributed. We've had a huge run up in a few now huge tech stocks that are at crazy valuations and imposssible P/Es, while the rest of the market is pretty meh. Probably won't make a difference if the tech bubble pops everyone will get hammered.