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The only positive take away tonight was that Madden saved the BP for the next few days, if they can hit enough to take advantage.

9 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

The problem is the offense has weeks where they just don't do much. 

No pixie dust this season for McKinstry or Jones, Javy and Torres down, Keith in some weird place, nothing from Jake, neither Torkelson nor Green have been consistent. They are what they are, which right now ain't much. It's been Kevin and the eight dwarves.

2 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

I'm sure surgery went well but I have never read a report like, "surgery was a failure and the pitcher will probably end his career now...."

No, in fact IIRC - they kept that fact that there had been complications in Bonderman's outlet surgery under wraps for years.

Strike one to McKinstry was also ball -.....😡

Non competitive AB by Torkelson there.

Madden out for a 6th inning. If he doesn't give up a run he will have pitched a quality start in relief.

EDIT: and there it is, 6 IP / 3 ER.

Matt chases two ball 4 fours to strike out.

Madden threw 4 great innings. Unfortunately he was in the game for 5.

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

The Tigers are a very good team

The are not a 'very good hitting team' though - they are a pitch 1st team, so when the pitching isn't there, it's gets pretty rough.

I think it's been the book on the Tigers for a while that they will take strike one most of the time. Certainly been true tonight - though Tork swung at the 1st strike this last inning.

1 minute ago, Tigermojo said:

Is there a doctor in the house? Can we check to see if any of these guys has a pulse?

I think they are already in the care of a registered nurse anesthetist.

Wenceel had two good pitches to hit in that AB, took one and fouled the other off. Too many Tigers getting good pitches and either missing them or taking them.

so any word on Carpenter?

can you even say the Tigers Threatened when there is so little chance they would have scored?

49 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said:

I’m asking myself if I am up for more pain, after last night and the horrible start to this one. 😵‍💫

going to be a lot of this over the next month or so. Amazing how fast a team can be gutted by poor health.

14 minutes ago, kdog said:

SSS but the Tigers are dead last in homers in slug in the month of May(American League).

funny that one of the things that Harris said in one of his pre-season interviews was that more contact is good but that two of the highest contact teams last year had bottom offenses because they had no power so contact just for contact not a good way to go. Seems his own team apparently not taking his advice.

well, they can't have a 1st place  to last place year  - because they didn't finish in first.....

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

Maybe it's because baseball players are not cars,.....

I get that physiologically some guys can't have great arms, it's more that you never even seem to see guys improve from where they start out. I guess by the time we see them in the majors it's water under the bridge.

Victor is about as much a mismatch to the players in the league today as Wilt was when he first came into the NBA.

50 minutes ago, chasfh said:

My concern is that with all these anti-democracy gains, the red hats are going to be super-energized and stream to the polls in November, because everyone likes backing their guy when he's so obviously winning, while everyone else is demoralized and throws up their hands and say aw **** it, we can't win, what's the use. All of a sudden it looks like Democrats may end up losing seats in both houses, and if you think it's been bad up to this point, after that it would be Katie bar the door. This is not a prediction.

absolutely this is exactly the downside risk, and I think there is precedent in the way Dem voters failed to energize around Clinton or Harris or the 2022 Senate races.. Thankfully the ongoing poll results do seem to be moving the other way - for instance Dem enthusiasm appears to be running ahead of GOP enthusiasm in OHIO. The problem there is that primary and by-election results are not all that much to hang your hat on, even if they do point in a positive direction. It's too easy to see Trump somehow extricating himself from Iran, gas prices falling, some stupid Dem misstep,  and all of a sudden all is forgiven.

47 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

It's about racism but from the left. You notice how the left is always obsessed with the white working class? When they lose primaries after the blacks down south vote, the election was rigged. Gee, elections being rigged in areas with high black populations, that sounds familiar. Platner is selling the people of Maine a con like Trump. They are sacrificing everything they claimed were their principles for this guy the same way MAGA does for Trump. 

Black in the US are more socially conservative than the average white progressive, maybe even more than the average white liberal. It comes down to the argument about "order". People suffering life in highly disordered places like US urban cores, develop an appreciation for order that can seem paradoxical to the rest of us when the agents of order are also usually the agents of repression and abuse, but life is complex. Mainstream Black America doesn't want fewer cops, they want better cops.

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Right, it has nothing to do with economic progressivism. I have not heard anything from Platner that is new or different. People on the left or giving up all their principles and what they claimed to care about to support this guy. It's Donald Trump but from the left. I couldn't have fathomed that a blackwater op who is against assault rifle bans who voted for Republicans would be the darling of the left. 

well whatever you want to call it, it is about giving people back a sense of control over their lives. IMO the greatest danger to the constitution order is people deciding they don't care about the niceties because it's not working for them anyway. What good is a constitution that's supposed to guarantee your liberty if you feel like you are living the life of a slave?

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

That was his appeal. Platner wears flannel and has a beaver's ass on his face so he's a manly man.

That's always been politics though - Lincoln may have been one of the more intellectual presidents we ever had, he ran as 'Rail Splitter Abe'. I think the only guys who are insulated from being dinged for being classy were the War heroes from WWII. I don't think a guy who talked like he was from Harvard and looked the part too as much as JFK would have a chance today, but the guy was a war hero who proved how much a grunt he could be by being blown out of the water and then swimming to safety with some poor wounded GI on his back. There is no way for a classy guy to buy those kind of Bona Fides with the everyday public today. Obama was an exception of course, but he was the exception to everything - maybe exactly because everything about his past argued he shouldn't be who he was?

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I will never vote for Abdul El-Sayed. 

BTW, AES now running on the fact that AIPAC is supporting his opponent as a positive campaign argument. Another measure of how much times have changed.

2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

It's amazing how Fetterman was the Platner of 2022 who the progressive liked, and as soon as he won and changed his stripes, it's all he was never progressive, he was the establishment conservative Dem. 

Platner doesn't hide the things he disagrees with Progressives about. He's primarily an economic progressive. That's what the Dems have to coalesce around to win. Forget fighting on the culture stuff, hammer the economic and political oligarchy. David Brooks tends to be all over the map, but he wrote something recently that I think hits the nail spot on the head - the reason the vast majority of people in the US are so ticked off is the feeling of loss of empowerment. Everything in this country has gotten re-engineered to where it only serves the rich. Everyone else has to deal with a million indignities their parents never faced,  from not being able to get a person on the phone at customer service to their votes being negated by gerrymandering, to not being able to afford a house, or even Disneyland, you can't afford to stay home and raise your kids, if you go to work you can't afford day care, and looming over all of it is that they are afraid to get sick or lose a job because the path to upward mobility has been blown to smithereens. 

Don't get pulled into winless debates about who is more at fault in the ME, or the border, or your preferences about transgender athletes or defunding the police, you can not win there.