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6 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

The point I am making is these smaller market teams won't be able to keep a lot of their players past year 3.... If their superstar rookies are getting paid $30 mil+ 3 years into their MLB life, how will the small markets do that? You mock about the 97 win Brewers.... Imagine if they didn't have Freddy Peralta, Chuorio, Miz, Uribe, Vaughn, Turang, Durbin..... You think they win 97? Hell no. These small market teams can't and won't recover from this .......

 

 

 

(Yes I understand Chuorio has a long term deal but I'm pointing out that if he knows he can make $35mil+ after 3 years, he wouldn't of signed that deal ...... This is strictly for example purposes to prove the point.)

Right, even if Buddha is happy with the amount of imbalance now, if teams start losing guys at 3 yrs, the Tigers wouldn't have made the playoff either of the last two years.

2 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

Ya that's one of the rumors I was alluding to, nothing confirmed and it still isn't a great look for him honestly. 

ESPN has confirmed his arrest, the charge and that he made bail.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/47831110/top-nhl-prospect-gavin-mckenna-charged-assault

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

yeah who knows, the poor brewers might just have to go out and win 97 games again like last year.

HOW WILL THE POOR BREWERS COMPETE?????

One team is not an argument for the system though. Any team might have a run of draft picks that hit, trades where a a throw-in becomes a star, whatever - basically has a lot of stuff go right and ends up competitive a few seasons - for instance the Tigers incredible pitching health in 2006. That fact that can happen doesn't mean the system isn't highly biased, it only proves its not impossibly biased. Not much of a bar.

21 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I'll be amazed if the owners don't lockout next year w/o a salary cap

It could get very bizarre. You are going to have the rich teams in strange alliance with the players against the rest of the teams. And in the end the larger numbers of poorer owners may not be able to hold out because they can probably least afford a year without revenue. I suppose that will be the ultimate tell as to whether those teams are losing money or not. They'll be a lot more willing to take the shutdown if they weren't making any money anyway.

4 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

My point being Tater said the dems were leading the charge to end Gerrymandering by… More Gerrymandering. Also note dead red Indiana chose not to play these reindeer games.

your arg is unserious. Dems moved toward reform in multiple jurisdictions, GOP moved toward abuse, Dems forced to react. There is no ethical culpability on the part of the left for playing self defense nor even a fundamental change in the preferences of the left to do away with all of it. 

11 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

If true, McKenna is a good boy. 

Maybe not so funny. McKenna has been arrested and charged with aggravated assault.

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

Harris is not declaring for the White House, and even if she is, this party will absolutely not nominate her.

wishful thinking but I believe the best strategy for the Dems would be for no-one to declare for '28 until the midterms are over.

Right now the AI race is a spending black hole across the M7. Maybe one or two of them will eventually make money at it, the rest will likely never recoup their losses. Which is fine, they can afford them, but a lot of investors will likely be hurt.

41 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Gerrymandering for me but not for thee.

Basic game theory. When your opponent won't play fair you may absorb the 1st hit. After that the optimal stratagem is to hammer back harder to show them their decision was counter-productive. It's just being practical.

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

15 years ago blue states like California in good faith set up independent redistricting commissions. Not a single red state did. Democrats cannot unilaterally disarm themselves. Republicans have shot down all attempts at nationwide redistricting commissions. Democrats can't stop here. I'm looking at you New York. If Republicans want a ceasefire, than pass a nationwide redistricting bill. 

Where does the Federal gov get the authority to pass a redistricting bill? Plus this SC would invalidate it.  I'm afraid the best solution is a Supreme Court that will outlaw both Gerrymanders and overturn CU. The next Dem admin must increase the numbers on the court to make the current Conservative axis irrelevant. It's a terrible solution but probably still better than any other.

22 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Ilitch now has the Tigers with a Top 10 payroll and less than 17M from the first competitive balance tax line.

Someone needs to reign in his irresponsible spending!

is that with or without Skubal’s 20 or 32 M$!

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

"Headquarters"? 

That sure rings of Gen Z doesn't it?

2 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

I still think they are a RH bat short, as Jones is unlikely to repeat his 2025, Vierling is just solid and coming off multiple injuries. Maybe they do something at the end of ST, or maybe they wait and see how it goes, possibly with Anderson or Lee.

agree they are still too left handed, esp if McGonigle makes the team.

16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

He isnt asking for free agent money. That would be between 30 and 40 million per. 

It's been pointed out here already by multiple posters, this case has morphed beyond being about about Skubal and the Tigers in particular, it's about Boras and the Union wanting the arb scales reset and ownership wanting the status quo system of arbitration escalation 'rules'. And as has been pointed out, the Tigers didn't particularly 'low ball' Skubal, they made an offer than pretty much followed arbitration precedent. For Boras, repping clients that score bigger in arbitration is probably the area of biggest potential income growth for his business if he can get 'market value' established as a significant factor in future arb awards. Skubal, as a player rep, can contribute to something that will benefit a lot more players than the deal he signs next year.

OTOH, to mid market and below teams, a big escalation in arb costs would be the last straw in making them all 2nd class citizens to NY and LA as they will end up having to cut lose a lot of competitive players they would otherwise have kept.

1 minute ago, Sports_Freak said:

I would be surprised if Skubal loses in arbitration. Back to back Cy Young awards? Comp that, Detroit.

OTOH, if the Tigers are not willing to dig into the couch cushions to find $10M for one year to keep together a potential WS staff, then what are we all here for?

21 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Yeah, ummm...

I don't think Olson wins a rotation spot based on "we need to get as many innings out of him in Detroit before he goes on the IL again...".

He has the ability to win the 5th spot outright. Heck, he could with the 4th spot or push Flaherty down to the 4th spot...

I just think the 5th starter is an open competition and I won't rule out any possibility.

Plus... Spring Training injuries so, who knows... ?

Olson is going to win a rotation spot based on being able to get guys out better than anyone other than Skubal. The question is can he keep it.

16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

My worry is the Tigers business plan is to trade Skubal if they lose. Having to pay Skubal what he's asking may not fit into their payroll. Players are overhead in sports. At least, for short sited owners.

The fact that they just committed 38.5AAV to Valdez means an extra $10M could become more significant. But who knows?

2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Apparently Harris is going to announce something tomorrow. Seems early to announce for president. Is she going to jump into the California governor's race? If it was a book or a movie or something like that, you would think she wouldn't use the dormant campaign account to announce it.

 

at one point she announced she would not run for Gov of CA but I sure hope she does and doesn't declare for the White House. IMHO, any Dem who has managed to lose to Trump should not be trying again.

20 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

SGL has even more to prove than Olson... healthwise.

SGL has to prove he can get out big league hitters.

I could see this. I think the real argument is going to be between the two sets of owners, the players union is just going to be along for the ride.

idle talk this afternoon on radio that losing the arb case would motivate the Tiger to move Skubal to they would have the money to add enough to counter his loss. I'm just the messenger here.....

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I simply don't buy the idea that he's too stupid to know what he's doing yet smart enough to stay on message.

Trump isn't stupid, but he is ignorant. We tend to assume the later always implies the former, but not with Trump.

Trump is ignorant because not because he is stupid but because he has a closed mind. Snapped shut somewhere around 1972 and he's still there.

15 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

this was the only decision the court could reach after Tx, but it's still both tragic and a tribute to the ability of lawyers to lose the forest for the trees that we have a Supreme court that thinks redistricting is OK if it's purely to manipulate election results instead of seeing it as the clear violation of one-man/one-vote that it is.

43 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Said it after the 2024 elections.  We need a whole new media.   The robber barons are going to control all channels and narratives.  

Bezos is making the same mistake at the Post that he is making at Blue Origin, which is trying to run them like Amazon. At Amazon - the bulk of the workforce are commodity. Amazon doesn't need them for who they are, it really does only need their bodies. While that management system - as bad as it is, may work there,  isn't going to work for journalism or high tech manufacturing, because those are places where you do need people exactly for who they are - which means that while you can can get away with pitting workers against each other in a warehouse, you cannot in a fundamentally collegial place like a newsroom or a necessarily deeply cooperative one like cutting edge engineering (he has a forced attrition program in place at Blue Origin). Your develop process is going to grind to a halt when every engineer is trying to steal every other guys glory and no-one trusts or will share anything with anyone. Jacques Nasser pretty well proved this at FoMoCo years ago, but the guys like Bezos just don't want to believe it because their ego doesn't let them admit they don't have the only brain that matters.

16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

and why should we even take any of this lying-whenever-their-lips-are-moving admin's numbers at face value?