SoCalTiger

3 hours ago, casimir said:

I guess I hadn't realized Canha is going to be 33 soon.  I guess now rethinking it, I wouldn't go more than 2 years on him.  Looking at his numbers again, there might be some evidence of the downside of his career, although the abbreviated 2020 is tough to judge.

Pederson would make for a really lefty heavy OF.  I'm not sure that's ideal.  Grossman can play everyday.  But then Pederson and at least one of Greene/Baddoo would likely make the Opening Day roster.  I suppose if one of the kids is ticketed for Toledo or used as trade bait, Pederson makes sense.  I don't know, it seems like a RHB OF makes more sense for a decent balance in the OF.  And, yes, this assumes RHBs in Cabrera, Schoop, a C, Torkelson in the lineup.

I guess Greene is assumed to be an everyday player.  Baddoo showed some capability to go the other way against LHPs, although the consistency certainly isn't there (not surprising, he's a young kid, a rule 5 kid, and he's lost a good amount of development time not just due to COVID).

Starling Marte just turned 33, so he kind of goes against what I said about age and decline with Canha.  But he's also better than Canha, so there's that.  Does an OF of Baddoo/Greene/Marte/Grossman sound like fun?  Maybe Marte is the bargain due to age and the SS bacchanal?

I love Marte and maybe his price does slip after shopping for shortstops but I think he will still be expensive and want 4 years. I look at Canha as much much cheaper and shorter term. Line 15/2 verses 70/4. Save $ for pitching. I keep thinking plug the defensive holes at short and catcher  at reasonable cost , add a solid bat at low cost/short term assuming Greene and Tork to come up and contribute slower and save big money for pitching . Lots of it. 

1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said:

Canha saw the 2nd most pitches per at bat; Grossman was 6th; so those 2 guys would really work the pitch count up

Canna is very underrated and probably requires only a 2 year commitment. 

1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

The optimist in me expects us to sign one of the marquee guys but the realist in me thinks that the more likely scenario is the Dejong or somebody like that scenario that you guys are talking about.

Id be fine with that so long as we reallocate the money that would've been spent on the SS to other areas of the team. 

I still think we need an impact bat or two, unless Tork comes out of the gate hitting at an All Star level they won't have a single bat on the entire team that is a truly impact one.  

Its hard to score runs consistently when your best bat in the entire lineup is Candy who is merely an .800 OPS guy with moderate HR power.  Hell most playoff teams have atleast 5 or 6 guys in their lineup better than that and as is he would be our best. Not good. 

I agree we should not sleep on the bat. My off season would be something like the following :

Paul DeJong - SS

Barnhart - Catcher if the reds don't sign him. Maybe Perez from Cleveland if they don't though less interesting.

Mark Canha - 3 to 4 years. Gets on base. Underrated ala Grossman . Hedges against Badoo and a slow start for Greene and can play first base if Tork starts later.

Max Scherzer or Jon Gray as second choice 

  Alex Cobb or similar level starter

DeJong is making 4.3 mil per year to ride the bench so he should come reasonable in trade.

They could trade for Paul DeJong of the Cardinals. Poor hitter but great glove and was 1.6 war last year. Then load up on pitching. After all the expensive free agents shortstops get signed then circle back and try to trade for good minor league shortstop thats blocked even if they are two years away. 

Live I thought he swung but replays did show different. The batter lunged forward and I think thats what gave the impression of the swing. Why can't they just review it if it ends an at bat ?

Max gets it done. First save ever.

Max coming in to close it out !

2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm not saying it's gonna happen but I think a Goldschmidt comp is something we could reasonably hope for or perhaps what Matt Olsen is currently doing. They are both pretty elite hitters that still provide a ton of value to their teams despite being a 1b. 

I think it would be unreasonable to expect a prime Cabrera or Pujols and put the chances of that happening extremely low especially  Pujols who in his prime may be the greatest rh hitter of all time. 

 

I would be giddy with either of those two results.

We all want Correa/Seager/Story and Verlander....can we live with Chris Taylor /Marcus Semien or maybe even Freddy Galvis  and Kevin Gausmen ?? 

Arod said yesterday that Carlos Correa could be the first $400 million player. If so he will be in pinstripes not the Ole D.

Winning the World Series in Detroit will help 😊

Put yourself in A J shoes during the scandal. The big question is when did he know. Assuming it took a while for him to know and the players did not heed his request to stop he has zero options. Go public and anger all players by betraying clubhouse confidentiality, at which point he’s finished as a manager, or continue to lobby for them to stop. To this day he has assumed responsibility without pointing fingers which is why he is still respected by the players if not all fans. 

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think a three-year deal with two team options would be an acceptable risk, and a motivating factor for Jeimer. The alternatives to plan for, as I see it, are to get two more good years out of Jeimer and let him walk, or get two more good years out of him and pay him 3-4 more years to keep him around. Planning as of today, I don’t love either of those alternatives, necessarily.

One might reply that the two years we get out of Jeimer may not be good at all, to which I might reply, why plan on keeping a not-good 3B around for two years, then? After all, we just got a 3.6-win season out of him following a shortened season that projected out to 5 wins. That should allow us to project nine or wins for the next three seasons, shouldn’t it? If that’s the case, it might be worth locking him down for the year we plan on contending, then having him earn the following two years through performance. After all, we just committed to two more years of 30- and 31-year-old Schoop, who just had his first two-win season in three years. Why would committing three years to a younger, better player be nuts?

I was not referring to Candy in particular though your proposal makes sense to me. I was just wondering on general terms regarding the usefulness to a team extending players. It seems the closer the player gets to free agency the harder it is to make a deal since the player might already want "free agent" money so maybe its best to just save the money to use it in free agency for your player or a new one. Plus if he declines or gets hurt  the team is not stuck. It"seems" to me salary flexibility is very important.  But I really don't know.

Apart from very early deals like Acuna and Albies in Atlanta does extending any player really make sense ? Is there really a savings from free agency prices after discounting for the risk of poor performance/decline ? I also question the reduced motivation effect. If I was a GM I would value flexibility very keenly. There's always a pool of players to choose from.

For some meaningless reason Trevor Story keeps popping in my head as signing with us for about 5 years 130. 
 

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Just in the little time he was finally here - I think Paredes' critics have a point - his hitting needs work, the kind of work that probably can't be done while playing in the majors. But he seems a guy caught in that no-mans land where there is not enough failure pressure below the majors (e.g. winter league batting crown) to push him where he needs to be but where he is isn't going to play in the majors. He's needs to make a swing/timing change that gets him back into fair territory when the turns on a ball. He won't make when only 20% of the balls he barrels up stay between the white lines

I guess your right. They probably made that decision quickly. They have the scouts eye that you have and I don't. I probably got tired of so many missed double plays with W.C. I was anxious to move on. It just seems parades knows the strike zone and that should lead to some success but it clearly has not.

In hindsight it would have been nice for some of Willies Castros playing time to have gone to Parades so we would have a better idea if he can make it or not. Willie got way way too much run getting the 5th most Ab's on the team, 413, to Parades 72.But at least we know for certain to move on from him.

Sounds like they are downplaying their interest in the big name shortstops in hopes of not contributing to the escalation of the bidding. Too many writers have Correa already here implying the Tigers will play "what it takes". Al want to pour cold water on that. But maybe I give him too much credit.

Both quotes by Al are good. It's now on him to make solid, prudent yet aggressive decisions. If he adds the right two or three free agents and Green/Tork we will be in the hunt baby !

Yes catcher is really thin it seems every year. Maybe see if Cleveland doesn't take the 7.5 mil player option on Roberto Perez and try to sign him for maybe 2/10. But he doesn't hit vey much but solid behind the dish.

I don't think you can plan on Boyd to pitch in 2022 so based on that you non tender him and then negotiate an incentive laden deal with a very low base allowing Boyd to rehab with the team. pay for play with the ream showing goodwill for the surgery and rehab. Or offer a two year with the assumption your getting one year of pitching. 

Brewers and Rays for the underdogs

Better yet would be if the new CBA might allow trading draft picks ?

Elimination games are worth watching.