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    5/17/24 9:40PM Tigers @ Diamondbacks

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    4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

    I remember in the 90's, there was a stretch where David Wells seems to dominate every time he took the mound for the Tigers. It was a much shorter time, maybe just a few months, but it seemed like he won every time out. Nothing like Skubal though, the kid is the real deal, a real #1 ace. So, how many years is he under team control? Extend him now, he's only gonna get more expensive. 

    He’s a Boras client heading to free agency. Enjoy him while you can. I would be at least doing due diligence about what he could bring on trade. 

    5/15/24 1:10PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

    according to Tork, the team has a set of things they preach. How can you hold the line if you tell Javy to go ahead and do it his way? Of course to me, having any single approach to hitting for a whole team is a mistake out of the box. Every hitter has different abilities to do different things in the box and likewise different things they will fail at if you ask them to do. If a guy has good pitch recognition but holes in his swing -sure don't swing at what you can't drive - you can afford to get down in the count if you are not so likely to get fooled.  If your pitch recognition is not so good but you have some plate coverage, way better to swing at a FB on the outer third for a single at 0-0 or 0-1 and put in in play than take it, let yourself get in a hole and K or roll over on a breaking ball that fools you. You need your hitters in the box doing what they do best and forget everything else. You'd never ask the average hitter to do what Cabrera did, regularly taking FBs to right and breaking balls to the pull side because most guys simply don't have the pitch recognition or strength to do it. We all understand that - but conceptually the same is true for all hitters - they will all reach their optimum with an approach tailored individually to what they can to. The logic argues there are some hitters you shouldn't ask to take pitches, or tell not to swing out of the zone, or whatever it is, because for some hitter that is what they need to do. So to have a team wide approach in some particular direction sets up some hitters to fail.

    Now in 5 years, when they have only drafted or traded for hitters that already fit the mold of hitters that hit like they like, then they will look brilliant, but they will have to pass on a lot of productive players to get there.

    All valid and appreciated. But there are exceptions to every rule and what our coaches are doing is not working.  
     

    Maybe he just is a National League player? Is that possible. Is there another bad contract we can swap him with ? 

    5/15/24 1:10PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    1 hour ago, Tigermojo said:

    Javy should just agree to go to Florida to work on his game like Abreu did.

    There's nothing wrong with sending Keith down to Toledo. It doesn't mean he's a bust. He's 22 and has some things to work on.

    Javeys to young for the Abreu treatment and who would play shortstop ?

    5/15/24 1:10PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

    I think he's trying to do what they want him to in his ABs - evidenced that the K's are down - he may even believe in trying to do what they are telling him, he just can't make it work. 

     

    Well they should stop that. Let him rip. I’ll trade a non existing obp for some slugging. 

    5/15/24 1:10PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

    At this point I'd release Javy just so he has some shot at saving something of his career somewhere else because there is no hope he turns it around here. It's practically reached the point of cruelty.

    Well I have supported Baez more than almost anyone on this board but it has reached a boiling point. But I still wouldn't release him until we have an acceptable replacement player. You can not expect an owner to eat 85 million dollars with the chance he plays better someplace else or worse harms your team in the process. However if Baez has "checked out" then you are forced into corner. Do you think Baez has given up ?

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    5/14/24 6:40PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

    Problem is Harris didn't find a SS to fill the hole even knowing that the single most probable outcome of Javy's terrible 2023 would be a terrible 2024. Management by wishful thinking? And don't bother mentioning Kreidler, whose most probable outcome based on his history would be right were he is, the DL.

    That's good point. Wishful thinking gone ugly. Having said that it's hard to understand just how terrible he has become.

    5/14/24 6:40PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

    yup. Hinch is channeling his inner Earl Weaver - he apparently wants the guys playing for the long ball all the time. Problem is he doesn't have a HR hitting team.

    Do balls hit into the rightfield stands count as homers ? Can you advance a runner from second to third with a fly ball to right ? How about a ground ball to second ? So why the F are you pulling the ball ???

    5/13/24 6:40PM Marlins @ Tigers

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    55 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

    this bothered me though:

    this was Tork, quoted by Petzold last week. I don't think you can give away any AB where a pitcher can hit his spot 3 times. That's a solid recipe for only winning games against the worst pitchers. Sure, you hunt zone when you are ahead in the count, but you have to start adjusting your approach from 0-1, at two strikes you've given the pitcher too many ways to get you out. And if you watch the Tigers, they seem to fail on an inordinate number of AB where they are up 2-0, because they are looking for perfect and pretty soon they are 2-2 and then out of the AB. Your BA when you get to 2-0 should be huge. 

    And it's especially dumb for Tork, because he has the power to "do damage" just fine on an outer third FB (IIRC, 6 opposite field HR last season) if he sat on one at 0-1 when he *knows* that is where he is going to be pitched. But so far he won't. The 'approach' doesn't even give himself enough credit. 

     Everything you do in a AB has to be directed at not getting to two strikes, esp 0-2. All the numbers tell you that. If the Tiger's are willing to go to 0-2 to swing the bat at a strike, that is why they are an inept offense. 

    Do we know how Tork has done against good pitchers slugging wise and what is the MLB average against such pitchers ? It's obviously lower but some players have good careers hitting AAAA pitchers but disappoint in big games. Are there such stats available ?

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