SeattleMike

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

I'm a long game guy...if yesterday is an aberration..over the long haul it won't mean anything.  If it's a sign of things to come...that' a problem.  The JD Martinez trade didn't kill us...all of the other deals that were as bad...worse..or never completed did

Everyone remembers the Martinez trade, which was atrocious and haunted him the rest of his tenure. From that point on I'd say, in all fairness, that his deadline deals were ok. Verlander yielded a catcher who this season ranks in the top half of regulars at his position in RC+. Getting an impact player would have been better, but as others on this board have noted rarely do these deadline deals yield that kind of talent. The other 2017 trade netted two pretty good players for practically nothing. Avila and Wilson for Paredes and Candy. In 2019 he traded Castellanos and received Lange. Not bad, considering at the time of the trade Castellanos was slumping (95 OPS+ in July) and had a rep as a bad fielder (well earned).

Later deadline trades: Greene for Wentz, who may still prove useful, Martin (with his 97 OPS+ at the time) for Castro, who, hey, is still in the league, Norris, badly damaged at the time, for Olson, who may prove more than useful, and Fulmer, for Long-Gibson, who is pitching well at AA. Yes, the Fiers trade in 2018 netted nothing, and I know I'm missing a few other clunkers. But considering the underwhelming assets Avila had to trade, I'd say he performed ok at the trade deadline, after the Martinez mess.  

He failed as a GM for many reasons, but trade deadline deals were the least of his problems and maybe weren't really a problem. 

12 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Acquired today in a cash deal.  Think the Dodgers had waived him from their 40.  The last part could be total bull****, though.

Maybe he was a part (a bit of a throw in) of the ill-fated Rodriguez deal?

1 minute ago, Adullin said:

Have they given up

No. Most of these guys are fighting to establish themselves in the league. Coasting will get you the boot. The issue is talent and ability. That’s lacking. 

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Manning not sharp, but little matter as the offense was AWOL again.

Same old story. 

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Close again. Tork needs to schedule an extra 15 min or so in the weight room per week......🤷‍♂️

Or play more games in, say, Comiskey (or whatever it’s called these days). 

20 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Baseball Reference has him with the Tigers in 1967. Purchased from the Pirates that spring.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceji01.shtml

So he played for the Tigers in 67 not the Pirates. 

25 minutes ago, casimir said:

  

Detroit Tigers vs Pittsburgh Pirates

Watch:  Pirates - ATT SportsNet-PIT, Tigers - Bally Sports Detroit
Listen:  Pirates - KDKA-FM 93.7, Tigers - 97.1 The Ticket

That baseball card lists a year in Pittsburgh. But Price didn’t play in the majors until 1968. I see quality control was lacking back then as well. 

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

So much for him skipping all the way to Lakeland....🤷‍♂️

Yeah, what happened with that? 

3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Somebody has to be better than Haase. On top of the stats I posted above he has not drew a walk in his last 98 plate appearances and only has 1HR and 6 extra base hits total in that time. One of the worst 100 ABs from a non pitcher I have ever seen. 

You are down one in the 9th with the tying run at first. And Haase and Baez represent your last hopes. Ouch. In terms of Baez outcomes at the time he signed he must be performing at the 10th percentile. Better than Austin Meadows mind you but still brutal. 

1 minute ago, 1776 said:

Eight games back and fading. 

You’re still keeping track?

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Tork in another mini-slump 0/6

If he were surrounded by veterans contributing at above replacement level his periodic 0-9s would barely be noticed. 

56 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

Who gave that man a podcast :?

Is this Sportz from the old board? That guy was contentious as heck.

6 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

 

That Trayce Thompson? 

5 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Yeah, I don't get how people can get that angry or worked up over this season.... they need more talent, but they have also showed a lot more real promise at most levels of the organization and the major league team will likely clear the (incredibly) low bar that most of the fan base seemed to set prior to the year.

Yeah, I've somewhat enjoyed this season, for all the reasons Budda cited. Contention was a silly dream. Having said that, yesterday was downer. C'est la vie. On to Miami. 

5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Getting harder to see what they are waiting for with Malloy and Meadows. It’s not roster spots since it’s pitchers that are going to get moved.   

They are both 23, not too old but hardly young. And Meadows has 2000 PAs in the minors. He'll probably never be a 125RC+ guy, but what better time to find out than the next two months? I kind of understand the Malloy wait because he has defensive issues and may end up DHing, which means Cabrera is kind of blocking him. No one is blocking Meadows, unless you want to give Baddoo more leash. Maybe its as simple as that. 

19 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Keith finished 2/3 HR 2BB, Meadows 2/5 HR

also Wenceel 2/5 2B

Triple A scoring is insane this year. IL: 5.62 runs a game. 803 OPS for the league. No wonder all these guys who get sent down rake at Toledo. What is going on? Juiced ball? Tight strike zones due to robo umps? Small ballparks? For comparison the Eastern League in AA is averaging around 4.60 runs a game, on par with MLB. 

1 minute ago, Toddwert said:

Season is wearing on them I think 

Thankfully they are on the road for the next couple series. Tigers are more competitive away from Comerica. 24-27 on the road (-27 run differential); 22-30 at home (-70 run differential). Probably just statistical noise. Notice Tork much better on the road (765 OPS and 11 HRs) than at home (670 OPS and 4 HRs). 

17 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

The fans showed up to see Ohtani today.  And he didn’t disappoint.

Been some rough days this year (although not as many as I expected), but this one was likely the worst. Not really competitive in either game. 

Just now, Adullin said:

Makes sense two steps forward one step back. So many frustrating losses this year. 

I view this factoid as a positive. .500 baseball for an extended period of time is a real triumph for this team, given the injuries and obvious roster deficiencies. I believe the Tigers are 2-games under since starting the season 2-9. Can’t be too upset about that. 

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Lange continues to be broken

I guess Foley or Holton were not available. 

If the starting pitcher gives up 4 runs or more this team is toast. That is likely true of most teams but especially true for an offense that doesn’t even average 4 runs a game. 

2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

Shreve does not fill me with confidence.

Prescient 

Just now, Jim Cowan said:

His last 30 games (95 ABs) his OPS is .847.

Another guy the low-BA hawks want to run out of town. 

42 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

99% sure it was. Sure felt like it. Because the crowd started chanting "We Want  The Bird" and everyone was undecided whether to head to exits or stick around, we weren't sure if anything was going to happen. Curtain calls weren't really a thing back then. I remember Reggie's after his 3rd home run the next year in the '77 Series, but can you think of any before then?

That was my recollection as well. That '76 season was so much fun. Strange to say about a team that never contended and finished well below .500. The Tigers even had three All-Star starters: Fidrych, Staub and LeFlore. 

4 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

Per Jim Bowden via the Athletic

"Eduardo Rodriguez, LHP, Tigers — Rodriguez is 6-5 with a 2.69 ERA in 14 starts and if healthy is expected to opt out of his contract after this season, which is why the Tigers will deal him. They should be able to command a package of three top-30 prospects for the veteran lefty."

Now it is Jim Bowden so take it with a grain of salt 😅

Three top-30 prospects? He means top 30 of a franchise not in the game, right?