Tiger337

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

You might be right about Jansen eventually, although I don't think we can write him off yet. 

No, I can't write him off yet, but I thought it was a lazy Avila-esque signing when it happened.  They have been burned by old man relievers so many times this century.  

24 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Nothing wrong with your eyes! 😉

 

It didn't take hindsight to figure out that Morton, Paddack and Jansen a number of other players would probably be a waste of money.  None of them were fatal because they've been short-term, but many were predictable.   

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I will root for the team to win whether we keep our front office and manager or we broom them instead, but anyone who thinks the Tigers will become perennial winners by dumping Harris/Hinch AND ****canning analytics to go back to the kind of eyeball-based scouting systems in force when we were eleven years old is hepped up on goofballs.

They can still be a good organization without Harris and Hinch, but canning analytics would be suicide in this era.  I don't see that Gehringer is suggesting that though. 

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

I wish I were as old as he again!

Me too, but the slow recovery time starts early.

11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Gaahh

Old people and injuries

2 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I think the positive part is that the team we root for was the clear probabilistic favorite a month ago so things can obviously change quickly. 
 

But I also wouldn’t ignore the possibility of a playoff appearance coming via the wildcard. It’s a substantial part of that 1 in 5 chance. The rest of the AL has been pretty poor relatively speaking. 
 

 

And I am pretty sure they were lower than 20% in 2024 with a similar but worse roster.    

56 minutes ago, chasfh said:

At least until he gives up 5 runs in one and a third next time he pitches. 😉 

He only had one game like that last year.  Other than that, he was very consistent. You may be remembering that game because it was in playoffs in relief.   

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

the platoon thing has gone off the deep end - it's like they aren't even thinking about what they are doing. You want to go by the numbers, fine: Lets say Colt's OPS split is 250 - (and I'd wager it would be less than that if he playing everyday), and he is 800 against RHP - he's still a better option against a LHP than Short by 200 OPS points! Any strategy is only as good as the players you have to implement it. The guy on the team that may have the best contact skill right now on a team literally dying for it, and he can't stay in the lineup.

Perhaps they believe the difference in defense is so big that they don't care about the offensive difference.  

6 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

The Dodgers probably, and rightfully so, think they can win # 3 without Tarik Skubal but if they do trade Skubs I hope you are right and the return is excellent. 

I hope those who think the Tigers will get a prospect haul are right, but I am skeptical.  I think teams value their top prospects more than they used to.  

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

That Trump was a serial abuser of children is already baked into the Epstein files equation, such that if that was all there was on Trump in those files, it could be dismissed with some form of "so what who didn't". So there has to be more than just that in the files implicating Trump, something worse than "merely" sexually abusing children on a serial basis, as though something worse than that is even possible. So I am now coming around to the idea that Trump was an executive principal in the operation. He ran the thing with Epstein from the top. Not the paperwork, of course—that would have been Epstein's job. Maybe more like procurement, dispatch, and disposal. 

There is also a possibility that he was not actually involved, but needs to protect those who were because they have other dirt on him.  

10 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

Is it legal to have 2 Josues on your team?

Not sure.  

I hate watching Jansen pitch.  

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Which two Dodgers OFs?

He said: Josue De Paula and Mike Sirota

18 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Of course he has, but decent value doesn't apply when he's on the list, which he has been on well over 50% of the time since July 2024.

Tigers starting pitcher WAR leaders 2022-2026:

Skubal 18.1

Olson 4.5

Mize 3.7

Rodriguez 3.5

Flaherty 2.6

https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/baseball/player-pitching-season-finder.cgi?request=1&match=player_season_combined&order_by=p_war&year_min=2022&year_max=2026&team_id=DET

15 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

Rogers would be a good counter balance to the gritty leader we don't have.

Team leaders are not "gritty" though.  Gritty is used for a utility player who lacks talent but hustles and fights hard and gets the most out of his abilty.   He is usually short, shows his emotion and doesn't shave regularly.  A team leader is intense, competitive, hard nosed.  The modern term seems to be "gamer".   He is a regular and one of the best players  on the team.  He doesn't show a lot of emotion except when it's required to motivate his teammates.   

36 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

They still can be good. You build around Dingler, McGonigle, Clark, Keith, and Greene. If they move Skubal for 2 of the Dodgers OF'rs, then you're looking at a fantastic lineup. Jobe comes back and Madden back next year. Add a FA starter and you got a good young team to build around. We got pitching coming in the farm too. Moving Skubal can help quite a bit. Especially if they can get 2 top(ish) prospects. I could see them getting a package of something like Josue De Paula and Mike Sirota and a throw in like Serwinowski or Zach Root for Skubal still.

 

They could potentially have a good line-up if all that happens and all those guys come through which is not likely.  Who's going to pitch?  

4 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Yes you have and this season is proving you correct ...so far...and you still might get your wish, though diluted, come August. 

But TBF I agreed with Harris not trading Skubal the last two off seasons since we made the playoffs both years but as you maintained, the rest of the team may have indeed been a bit of an illusion thus warranting an early cash out.

They still would have been in the thick of the race if not for all the injuries.  They did the right thing in keeping Skubal.  It was fun seeing them have success the last two years.  

4 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

Unfortunately this has been going on for decades and likely centuries. The only difference is that in recent years we've had people bring it to the surface and to try to stop it.

It started coming to the surface, IIRC in the 70s and 80s, with legislation against child abuse in the 80s. I remember one of the few woman legislators coming out in support of a law because she herself had experienced it-it was the first time I realized I was far from alone.

When I was a teen I picked up a book my Mom had-a trashy novel that had graphic descriptions of child rape. And in a lot of cases, rape was viewed as a sign of 'romance.' Remember the Luke and Laura storyline that was so popular in the 1980s? It started with Luke raping her. (Yes, I gave my Mom a piece of my mind about the book). 

And it really isn't surprising to me that the only person in jail for the Epstein activities is a woman. 

 

yes, it's been going on forever.  I know why sexual abuse is so prevalent in general.  Men are taught at a very young age that that virility equals manhood.  They abuse women at a young age and their peers won't say anything to discourage it because that wouldn't be "cool".  And many men never grow out of it.  It seems that not much has been done to change this over the years.  

I don't know why abuse of minors is so prevalent since that is not generally encouraged or accepted.  I believe that ultra wealthy people do it BECAUSE it is so wrong.  They get off on being able to get away with sick activity that others can't get away with.  I don't know why it's also prevalent among other classes of people.   

5 hours ago, SeattleMike said:

Valdez?

He seems to have a problem controlling his anger rather than being a character.  I guess Rogers would qualify.  

1 hour ago, NorthWoods said:

What a waste of time that trade was for both sides.

The Orioles got Chris Hoiles, so it was a steal for them.  

1 minute ago, NorthWoods said:

Not well.  337 is creating new ones by thumping me for wanting gritty players.   He's demanding talent. 

yes, I have been doing that in this forum for 23 years now.  yikes!  

I will grant you that the Tigers have a very bland group of personalities and that they would be more entertaining with a few characters or rebels or something.  

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

Trump didn't write that.

He never would have remembered the names of those people.  

59 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

He’s going to need to put together 4-5 good starts before then to prove he’s healthy and effective.  His salary doesn’t help matters, either, unless teams have no regard for the luxury tax.  Tampa Bay might be an exception.

We might be willing to take on a bad, expiring contract to offset, especially if it improves the prospects in return.

Do we really want to make a trade with Tampa Bay? 

2 hours ago, NorthWoods said:

I feel like they're close to competing, they just need to reset the team a bit.  I think they need some players that irritate you if they're on an opposing team.   Jahmai Jones and Wenceel Perez get under no one's skin nor do they motivate their teammates.  We need an edge.

I'd rather have some players that can hit and field.  

I mean they already have plenty of irritating players.  😀

Just now, Tiger337 said:

1982 was interesting, because they had a winning record that year.  They were tied for first before they collapsed in June.  

I will get interested as it gets closer to the deadline, but right now it's depressing to think about.  I am Tired of the Tigers being so bad that they have to sell at the deadline.