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2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Anderson is the pitcher of record, isnt he?

Technically, if the starter doesn't go five innings, the official scorer can give it to the pitcher they think deserves it the most.   

4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Here's a rule question...if this game is considered completed after 7 innings because of rain, would Vest get a save?

The bigger question is who gets the W? 

28 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Did you know Anderson had remade himself as a pitcher in Korea?

He is pitching like a guy who had a a 6+ ERA with three MLB organizations prior to the Tigers and couldn't make the Tigers team in 2025.  

Keider Montero will probably be just as good/bad as Verlander.  I still feel as if Verlander might be able to get on a roll at some point like he did last year and that would be fun, but I am not counting on it.

48 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Agreed. For some reason, AL teams seem to beat up in NL teams. I expect 7 strong innings from Flaherty today.

That used be the case, but the NL has caught up in recent years.    

2023 NL 362 AL 328

2024 NL 369 AL 321

2025 AL 367 NL 353

2026 NL 27 AL 21

2 minutes ago, roarintiger1 said:

Carpenter brings his .091 average to the spot in the order that is reserved for the best hitter on the team.............

Maybe he'll run into one today.

I don't think many MLB managers reserve the #3 spot for the best hitter on the team anymore.  

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If this is not true—and since it’s not on Passan’s own feed, it’s almost certainly not—then you need to take whatever “The Detroit Times” is out of your rotation.

 

32,000 followers, but it's a site I've never heard of before and it has a link to a charity...Could be a legit site, but it is suspicious.   

53 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Not sure that is how the Federal Government is supposed to work...

"supposed to"

I think the only time I want to see a sacrifice bunt is in the ninth inning behind by one or tied with a weak hitter at the plate.  

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

That might be kind of a tricky thing to consider because that kind of suggests that all three players are sucking so, instead of trying to break out of that like a hitter, lean into that and bunt more like a pitcher hitting. I don't think any player who has had success as a slugger would want to lean into that.

If you're suggesting that Hinch should just make them do so, then he would basically have to sell these sluggers on the idea that since they suck right now, at this moment, they should be playing small ball like a pitcher hitting. That might help us win this particular inning this time, but I bet it would also create some friction over what the boss is suggesting about their abilities. I'm guessing that's a big reason sluggers don't turn to bunting and striving for productive outs when they are scuffling.

I am also not sure how useful it would be for Greene to lay down a perfect sacrifice only to have Torkelson retired on a towering flyball that he "just missed".  

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

I think it raises more questions about why it's happening and can anything be done about it, then how many runs does this predict for the Tigers in 2026. Maybe it's more of an inside issue than an outside issue.

I do think if a team ranks better in pct of innings scored than it does in runs scored, then it probably indicates they are relying less on home runs than other teams.  I don't know if that's a bad or good thing though.    

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You mean for gambling purposes? Not sure. Asking for a friend? 😉 

The only thing I think might be reasonable to take away is that we have the ability to be a top playoff-contending offense, but are simply not scoring consistently. Is this a development issue? A maturity issue? A luck issue? A lack of specific underlying skills issue? There's the $64 question I don't have any insight to.

My question was whether percentage of innings scoring runs in 2025 was more predictive than runs scored in 2025 of runs scored in 2026.  I loved seeing it broken out that way (potentially for other puposes), but it didn't seem to lead to a different conclusion than just looking at total runs scored.

On 3/30/2026 at 5:31 PM, gehringer_2 said:

Carpenter throws pretty well, probably the best of the bunch with Perez in Toledo. Vierlings arm may still be good  but we'll have to see.

OTOH, calling Riley's arm average is a stretch. He's firmly in the noodle category.

I have long noticed that fans who watched baseball in the 60s talk a lot about outfield arms.  More recent fans talk more about range and fans of some eras don't look at defense much at all.  I am not being critical.  Arms are important, but it's just something I'm curious about.  Is that something that was emphasized more in the 60s?  

34 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

The one-run only stat jumps out at me a bit with how low we are on it.  
 

It signals to me that we don’t do a good job of situational hitting and manufacturing a run.  
 

Just a minor example from yesterday- Skubal is pitching a great game but it’s 1-0 and we’ve put very little pressure on Gallen.  McGonigle triples with one out.  All we need at point is to get that run home: RBI groundout, sac fly, squeeze play, whatever.  

Torres proceeds to get behind in the count and then swings at a pitch near the top of the zone and tries to drive it but instead hit a line drive and ends up as a double play.  We hit probably 10 fly balls out to center and right field off Gallen but couldn’t do it the one time we really needed it with one of our more skilled hitters.

 

Not to criticize Gleyber or AJ or anything, but it’s worth pointing out that when our offense isn’t clicking, we don’t seem to have a lot of faith in the hitters to execute a sacrifice, steal a base, put a ball in the air or on the ground, etc.  I get going for the big inning if you string a hit or two together or a walk, but the types of teams that outperform their expectations each year are the ones that don’t squander those opportunities nearly as often as we seem to.

Is this trure?  

15 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Both sides have been ignoring it for decades, likely at the behest of businesses that enjoyed cheap labor.  Biden's initial 'fix' was to simply reclassify folks as asylum seekers.  It only exacerbated the issue.  

You correct about the bipartisan bill in 2024, but that didn't come until those evil southern states began moving a tiny fraction of what they dealt with for years into northern cities like Chicago which began to freak out about having to take care of a couple hundred people.  You are correct that it was Trump and the republicans fault the bill didn't pass, but that should not negate the liability of ignoring the issue for decades by everyone prior to that either.

yeah, it's a problem and the solutions are often worse than the problems.  

1 minute ago, ewsieg said:

Just an fyi, and note I don't side with Trump in regards to birthright citizenship, but this wouldn't affect Trumps kids, Rubio, anyones grandpa, etc.

• It would not be retroactive, only from the time the EO was signed.
• Going forward, U.S. Born children, born to parents that are not citizens or have legal status, would not be citizens.

I don't know the status of some of your Grandparents, but this likely would not have effected your parents.  This would not effect Marco (both parents were legal residents), it would not affect any of the Trump kids (father was US Citizen and even if he wasn't, mother was legal resident).  

To me, it's an unconstitutional solution to a legitimate problem, at least a legitimate problem when you refuse (which both sides have) to address over decades.  It almost feels like an extra safeguard to limit one of the benefits of coming here illegally should another president step in and again refuse to address the southern border.  

 

No, it wouldn't have affected my father.  I was using him as an example to point out the absurdity of it.  

Biden did not refuse to address the southern border.  A bipartisian solutuon was made to address the border, Trump convinced them to go against it.  He wanted the problem to remain so he could run on it. 

Obama certainly didn't fail to address the problem either.  He deported more immigrants than Trump.    

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In light of the two games in which we scored all our runs in a single inning and were shut out for the other eight, I did an interesting query yesterday: during 2025, where did the Tigers rank among teams in terms of percentage of innings in which they scored zero runs; in which they scored exactly one run; and in which they scored two or more runs?

Here's where it shook out:

• No runs: Tigers 72.3% of all innings, ranked 18th (MLB average: 72.7%; Pirates ranked first with 76.7%; Yankees ranked 30th with 69.2%)
• One run only: Tigers 13.8%, 25th (MLB average: 148%; Diamondbacks 17.4%; Giants 13.0%)
• Two or more runs: Tigers 14.0%, 4th (MLB average: 12.6%; Yankees 15.3%; Pirates 9.3%)

So the Tigers ranked slightly below league average in no runs scored, which is good; almost at the bottom scoring one run only, which, OK; and near the top in scoring two or more runs, which is good.

This suggests that as of last season we had the potential for a very good offense overall, and did have some good results, but need to become more consistent so we can be an elite offense like the Yankees or Dodgers.

This is probably in part why Harris did not blow up the offense this winter and replace lots of guys with so-called impact bats. Given how young the roster is, he's betting on a big step forward from the kids we have in house to get us to that next level. And they might yet, despite the first six games of the season.

Interseting data.  I am just not sure how to interpret it.  I would think that percent of innings in which a team scores runs would be highly correlated with how many runs they scored or a production stat like wOBA.  Is there a prediction advantage to knowing how many innings they scored in compared to just looking at total runs scored?

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

One can only imagine the upheaval.  My father is 97 and is a citizen by birth to an immigrant mother and father.   Several Trump children also fall into that category. 

My father, who lived to 99, was born in the United States to immigrant parents.  He also did more for America than most Americans can even imagine.  He fought in the front lines of WWII.  

1 hour ago, tiger2022 said:

It's still early, but Greene, Torkelson, Baez, etc were really struggling in the last third of the season last year.  

The big issue is that no one has any power on this team.  In today's game, you just can't be a top team without guys that can go deep consistently.  Little dink and dunk hitters need 2 or usually 3 hits in an inning to score a run.  That's tough to do.

Power is not the problem.  The Tigers were 10th in the league in home runs last year playing in a tough home run park.  Greene, Torkelson and Carprenter can all hit home runs if they make enough contact.  

31 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Scoob needs to “pitch to the score” like Jack did and he ended up in the Hall of Fame. He also however, had some pretty good relievers to back him up when he couldn’t go a full nine.

I think they all used to "pitch to the score".  It's a different game today with practically every hitter being a home run threat.  It's all about maximum effort the whole game now.   

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Meh.....this loss sucked. I thought we all agree that Vest is only a 9th inning pitcher? I guess Hinch didn't get the memo?

But...perspective...play .500 on the road...and after Skubal wins today...we'll be......500.

I don't agree he is only a ninth inning pitcher.  His splits suggest he does well in 7th and 8th as well.  If he really is a 9th inning only pitcher though, then he's not a good fit for a Hinch managed team.  

Damn, I thought it was safe to go to bed after 6 innings. 

I am glad I did though.  

3 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

It isn't just that JV got knocked around in a single game.  Just about every advanced stat shows that he was done last year. 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/justin-verlander-434378?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

Mize and Flaherty have a lot of blue too.  The predictive value of Statcast pitching numbers is overrated.  It's better than ERA, but still not that predictive.  I am concerned about Verlander mostly because of his age.  

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

but I would bet that Harris never envisioned Riley or Tork being the cornerstone of the perenniallly-contending Tigers franchise.

Maybe not long-term, but this year is really important and Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter need to be reasonably productive for them to have enough offense to support the pitching.   

6 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Carpenter leading off isn't Himch's best idea. It isn't working. Let's see how stubborn he is by not making a switch. Remember that year he kept leading off Riley? Some nonsense about getting our best hitter more at bats? Silly and stubborn...

 

Carpenter leading off is not a new thing.  He led off in 41 games last year and batted .254 which is pretty much the same as his overall average (.252).  He is definiely anusual choice to bad leadoff but I don't think that's why he hasn't hit yet.