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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The good thing with Nate is that he is never wrong. He predicted Hillary had an 80% chance to win and fell back on well Trump still had a 20% chance. What's the point? It's never going to be 100%. 

80% is not a particularly high number.  If a .200 hitter comes up in the 9th inning and needs a hit to win the game, it's probably not going to happen, but there is a decent chance it will.  The people who were wrong were the many who said Trump had no chance to win based on that 80%. 

I'm not making excuses for Silver.  I think his time has passed.  He was a very influential man in the field for a number of years, but isn't so relevant anymore.      

35 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Theoretically, an umpire can stop the game and demand the ushers eject a fan -  under threat of forfeit, assuming the ump can identify the perp. Can't say as I've ever seen it happen.

They did eject Youppi.  

On 4/22/2024 at 10:44 AM, gehringer_2 said:

IDK how much  prep draftee is going to/should focus on being compared to a college player. I guess if he were that would be a red flag to me.

Also - The context is that Clark is a shoe nut - sort of Imelda Marcos of the Diamond set. He apparently has hundreds of pairs of designer shoes. So it's a hobby with him.

Another red flag.  😃  

2 hours ago, oblong said:

He limped to 3000 hits and 500 HR.

 

And the 3000 hit, 500 hrs, 600 doubles thing was just a set of arbitrary categories and cutoffs to make him look better than players like Ted Williams and Willie Mays who were clearly superior to him.  

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

I guess by any objective metric, this is true. Miggy is firmly in the 99th percentile of all players. He has a Triple Crown and a ring. He has 3,000 hits, 500 HRs, and a .300 batting average—all the traditional benchmarks that constitute baseball greatness. And, barring anything horrific occurring in the meantime, he will make the Hall of Fame in five years on the first ballot with well over 90% of the vote.

That said, Miggy will not be considered an inner-circle Hall of Famer in the long run. Sure, he will be referred as such while the voting is going on, because he is alive and current and the people who will be talking about him on The Network know him personally and all that. Recency counts.

But ten or twenty or thirty years after that, Miggy will recede to the background of baseball consciousness, more or less in the same way Frank Thomas and Eddie Murray and Paul Molitor have. All great players in the 99th percentile, to be sure—but when you are talking about The Greatest Players in Baseball History, you have to name a whole lot of names before you get to theirs. And the same will be true of Miggy.

Miggy had a chance to be a true inner-circle Hall of Famer once, and to us, he is, because he was ours for a while, plus he's been gone for less than a year. But to the rest of the baseball world, he will be considered just another pretty good Hall of Famer. Nothing to be ashamed of, of course, but it will be an appropriate consideration for a guy who finished with a lower career bWAR than Dwight Evans, Craig Nettles, Robinson Cano, Kenny Lofton, and Bobby Grich—and, not for nothing, also lower than Frank Thomas, Eddie Murray, and Paul Molitor.

This is a good summary.  It might not matter to most fans whether advanced stats consider Cabrera to be Hank Aaron or Frank Thomas.  Tigers fans might just consider him to be an all-time great and one of their boys and leave it at that.  However, if you are somebody that likes to rank players throughout history and construct Hall of Fame tiers, it does matter.    

8 minutes ago, casimir said:

We did a tour of Fenway right before we left Boston last year.  It was fine to walk around and check stuff out, but I can't imagine sitting anywhere in there except for maybe on the Monster for 9 innings.  The seats are just so cramped together.

Fenway is a park every fan should visit once because of its history and uniqueness, but it's actually a terrible place to watch a game.  I rarely go anymore.

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

I liked Pittsburgh.  We walked across the Clemente Bridge.  Sat in the RF bleachers.  Walked around the stadium and took in the game at different spots for a short time during the game.  The spiral walkway in the LF corner is a good SRO type of view of the city and the field.  The lower deck seats in LF were pretty neat, too; you never see a lower deck section quite that small, so that unique aspect was interesting.

Surprisingly, it was a great city too.  I wasn't really expecting that.  I loved the river walk.  

45 minutes ago, oblong said:

We are going near the TB region this year for vacation, we went in 2021 but they had red tide which made swimming in the gulf not really an option, plus it rained 3 of the 4 days.  This will be a do over.  My wife is like "Why don't we go to a game?"  I'm trying to tell her that stadium is horrible and I have no desire.  I'm open to going to a minor league game somewhere if we can find one.  As it is, they are away anyway so dodged that bullet. "What kind of fan are you if you don't want to go to another MLB ballpark".  "The kind of fan that doesn't need to go to the equivalent of the Pontiac Silverdome"

Have you been to a game in Lakeland?  If not, I recommend it.  I also don't have a desire to go to ALL the MLB parks.  I had to see Tiger Stadium and Comerica.  I went to Pittsburgh, because it's a great park and I wanted to do a road trip.  I used to go to Montreal because it's a unique environment even though the park itself was bad. However, I am not going to make a point of visiting a crappy park just to experience every park.  

How did Baez get into the top three Tigers of all time thread???

8 hours ago, romad1 said:

FatLenin doesn't like Mike J

Who gives a **** what Steve Bannon thinks?  He has never been in any position of relevance, but he always talks like he is king of the world.  

17 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

You can argue that if he had stayed healthy longer, his talent level was high enough to have matched Pujols - especially if he had stayed fit enough to stay at 3B longer. So it's a similar semantics discussion as in the Wings forum. Fedorov was probably the absolutely most talented hockey player I ever watched, but he didn't achieve a career that matched the absolute abilities he possessed by a large margin. Cabrera was the whole package as a 3b, soft hands, good arm, and that bat. But for all he did achieve in his career, he still fell far short of what his absolute talent level promised. And that is true of many players, but to me Cabrera is a pretty striking example.

Through age 33, which is when Cabrera stopped hitting, he had an OPS+ of 155 with 70 WAR.  Pujols had a 165 OPS+ and 93 WAR through age 33.  Pujols was one of the best defensive first basemen during his prime.  Statistically, Cabrera was a below average defender most of his career.  Fans used to make excuses for him because they loved his hitting, but he was not a good defender especially when he was trying to play 3B.  He was adequate as a 1B.  Pujols was better than Cabrera.  Not staying fit is a poor excuse!     

Cabrera was a great hitter, but not a "generational talent".  A generational talent is someone who dominates the game for a decade or more.  Pujols was a generational talent.  Trout was a generational talent.  Cabrera was Hall of Fame caliber, but not in their class. 

You keep saying opinion versus stats and then your opinion about Cabrera is all stats! He didn't get 600 home runs by the way.  He got 500.  Pujols got 700!

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34 minutes ago, buddha said:

another easy top 3:

cobb

kaline

gehringer

Top 3 is easy.  If he said top 5, it gets more interesting.  

I wouldn't put any pitchers in the top three.  If Verlander had played his entire career with the Tigers, I'd probably put him in there but not based on his time with the Tigers.  

The only other one I might move up to third is Greenberg.  If you take his predicted output from his wwii years, he gets close to Gehringer, but I'd probably still take Gehringer.  

1. Cobb

2. Kaline

3. Gehringer

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

You never know. He might start pulling the ball more and at least move a runner over. You don't need your best hitter hitting 2nd, you just need someone who can handle the bat. So far, I've seen Canha pull too many ground balls to the pull side at important, situational, times. Keith is worth trying, but so are a few other hitters. (Greene)

The second hitter is going to bat more frequently than other hitters lower in the line-up, so he should be one of the best hitters.  Being able to move runners over is a useful skill for all hitters, but it is secondary to being a productive hitter  

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I meant for the hitter. Some players are more comfortable hitting is different spots. You have no way of knowing how Keith would do hitting 2nd, he's never done it at the ML level. But whatever, like I said, it really doesn't matter. With the roster Harris has built, we'll be battling to play .500 all season. 

He might go 1 for 5 with a single instead of 1 for 4 with a single.  

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I'm more using hindsight. Canha struck out. Rogers could have done the same. Not worse. Put the ball in play, put pressure on the defense. Canha has failed in several games where a hit was the direct difference in winning or losing. Sorry I have an opinion, I didn't like getting him in the first place. But as long as he's on the team, Hinch will use him. Go ahead and hit him 2nd, let's see how many rallies he can destroy.

 First you complain that he hits into too many double plays.  Now you are mad that he didn't put the ball in play!

55 minutes ago, casimir said:

I don’t mind the idea of Keith at 3B.  I think I’ve read before that he’s better there than 2B and that Jung is better at 2B than 3B.  The extent to the truth of that and the degree of the differences is something I wouldn’t have a whole of confidence in stating as fact.  But, if that theory has some merit to it, I’d say moving Keith to 3B is fine as long as his shoulder is up to the task.

Perez has been fine so far.  But I don’t think I’d move Keith in lieu of Perez right now.

He has been fine at second base so far.  I hope they leave him there rather than move him around. 

13 hours ago, casimir said:

Seriously, what has happened?  Is this an opposing correction to the mean?  Are they not really as good as the first 15 games, but also not as bad as the last 5, and things will flatten out in between?

I wasn't really expecting the infield defense to be particularly strong.  We knew Torkelson had problems, Keith was an unknown, Urshela is average, Baez is good.  Having Greene and Meadows in the outfield is definitely a plus.   

12 hours ago, chasfh said:

My favorite part is the state rep who owns a Smoothie King insisting that children want to work for him without having to take breaks. When I was a teenager, I don’t think I ever worked a single minute in a restaurant when I wasn’t thinking about how long it was until my next break.

That's cuz your a commie.

On 4/16/2024 at 7:21 PM, oblong said:

Fauci is one of those litmus tests for me. If a person is going on about him then I can safely dismiss their opinions.  They may as well tell me we faked the moon landings. 

He was about the only person I could stand listening to during the pandemic.  He has spend most of his career doing research to save lives.  They are trying to destroy him because he represents the science based govt agencies which they hate and also he didn't bow down to Dump.    

1 minute ago, casimir said:

My guess is MLBTV doesn't allow to record and view at your leisure?

I don't really want to watch a recording once I know what has already happened (and I will know because I can't help checking!).  I guess I could see going back to look at highlights or checking out a young player I haven't seen a lot of.

Just now, casimir said:

If I watch, I'll usually record and then start watching some time after the game has started.  I can zip through the commercials.

I just have mlbtv which I watch on the computer.  I no longer have cable/satellite and haven't figured out the new ways to watch tv yet.