MichiganCardinal

I agree. I think it’s more about accuracy and timing of down field passes. Of which Goff isn’t elite, but it’s not some absolutely necessary trait. Whether you can dial up and throw the ball 45 yards or 75 yards really only matters on the Hail Mary final play. So maybe once per season.

I never insinuated that the Bears weren't aware of the cap hit. I said that if I was a fan, I would like not love the move, in part because the WR they acquired has to be paid (i.e., is not on a rookie contract / is not a draft pick). I don't think the Bears management is good, but they're not incompetent. I even agree with your second point. It doesn't stop them from making more moves, it's just something to be considered. It's OK to just disagree with a post or feel you could have made a point better without being a jerk about it.

Should I amend my post to saying that "The deal gets you a good WR (who you will need to pay $20 million)"? The Bears have to pay DJ Moore $20MM... In other words, 9% of the entire 2023 salary cap.... Nothing about my post was incorrect. He is not on a rookie contract and the Bears have to pay him a lot of money.

Browsing the Bears and Panthers boards both sides seem to have a majority who are in favor of the move. If I am a Bears fan, I like this deal, but I don't love it. A deal needed to be done, you could not stay at #1 under any circumstance. The deal gets you a good WR (who you will need to pay) and a 2024 1st that will probably be middle of the road. But also, you only net one additional pick in this draft, when you need talent across the board. The Bears still only have four picks across the first three rounds, and will still be dog shit next year unless they can find plug-and-play talent late, or spend a ton of money in free agency. The Bears may look to move back again, because they just have so many holes. If I am a Panthers fan, I love this deal just as far as I love my team leadership. If I trust my GM to go get the guy, I love this deal. I'm confident that at least one of the four QBs will be a guy who pans out and it's now his job to figure out who that is. My gut says they fall in love with Bryce Young and regret it long-term. If I am a Lions fan, I love it. One more QB going in the top five and one less defense-first team inside the top five. Now let's see either Holmes jump to #3, or a QB-needy team jump to #3. Win-win.

MichiganCardinal Logic: The Panthers-Bears trade happened, so everything else will happen too. 😉

I think it is really good for our prospects of Anderson or Wilson falling into our lap.

Hopefully the Pistons aren't going to bid for his services too. He might be better than some of the players they are trotting out there these days.

Correct. I'm anticipating the trade. Though hopefully they'll screw that up too.

Chicago's leadership didn't inspire fear in me by trading what turned into the #32 overall pick for Chase Claypool. They have the draft capital and cap space to prove me wrong, but I think there's a decent chance they're blowing it up again by 2025.

If you need the helpline, I think it's aired every two minutes or so on 97.1.

"While we are at it, San Francisco, here are picks you won't know what all to do with."

IOW, "The salary cap exists and to prove it, Houston isn't allowed to waste a poor selection on a player who will not make it three seasons in the league anyway" -NFL

That makes more sense. It is odd he wouldn't be there. He's super active on Twitter, but I don't see anything indicating where he might be doing his off-season workouts.

Better them than us!

I think Chark being there is somewhat of an encouraging sign. I wouldn't read too much into Jamaal not being there. He only had 16 targets all season, he's not exactly a pass catching threat.

I think they were all living in LaLa Land post-Super Bowl win thinking it would last forever, and it wasn’t until the post-mortem this year that they had an “oh shit” moment where they realized the Rams need a few sticks of dynamite and a whole scale rebuild. Kudos to their leadership for doing it though. A lot of franchises (Cowboys come to mind) live in perpetual purgatory because they keep putting band aids over bullet wounds. If they draft well, the Rams should be back to the playoffs by 2025 or 2026. The way they’re off loading talent they might even be putting their sights on Caleb Williams.

Holmes should offer the Rams Goff for Stafford and two 1sts.

His injury red flag is going to make a large number of teams say no thanks.

Of the Rodgers model, I think Stroud is the most similar in this draft class.

I see three factors that go into this. After looking at them I’m closer on this than I thought I would be, but I’m still firmly in the no thank you camp. 1) Money: With the contracts given to lesser QBs Daniel Jones and Derek Carr, I don’t think $50MM AAV is that far off what we are looking to likely have to pay Goff in an extension. I don’t think Lamar will get a fully guaranteed contract, either for collusion or for Watson’s contract being asinine. The problems in Baltimore have gone beyond money, to being personal. Lamar needs someone to stroke his and his mother’s ego at the negotiating table, but they won’t hold out forever for the guaranteed money because I don’t think it’s coming. 2) Assets: I don’t love the concept of giving up #18 and a 2024 1st, but I think part of that will be recouped by trading Goff. I don’t know that he gets a 24 1st, but he might. If so we are probably looking at an upgrade in our 24 1st and just giving up 18. 3) The players themselves: I won’t go so far as to say Goff is better than Lamar. I think there is a possibility he will be over the next five years though. The biggest thing for me here though is not rocking the boat. Things are going good with Goff. The offense that was built around him is rocking and rolling. Why derail that? Lamar could be better, but it’s the “mystery box” that’s been mentioned here before. No one is forcing you to make a move, you have Goff on a deal that’s looking pretty team friendly right now. Don’t light that on fire for a “sizzle” move.

At the end of the day it (like this whole thread really) boils down to what Holmes’ board looks like. I don’t remember the exact quote, but I know Holmes said something last year about the Jamo trade that he had Jamo as one of X number of players who they had in the highest tier of grades, and that’s why he went up and got him. For me - if it’s not already obvious by my post history - I see a mile and a half difference between Anderson and the next best non-QB in the draft class. Point blank. I look at Hutchinson’s double team rate last year and can only imagine the havoc that the one-two punch of Anderson and Hutch could wreck on the NFC North for the next decade. After all, who needs a secondary when the QB is eating turf before the receivers reach the secondary? I kid… kind of. But if Holmes feels the same way, I don’t think he will sit on his hands while his guy goes three spots too soon. In a similar vein, if you’re open to a QB, I think I see Stroud as a sure-fire quality starter in the NFL with a pretty enormous upside. If Holmes feels the same way, or falls in love with Richardson and says he wants one of Stroud/Richardson/Young, going up is the way to do it. Don’t watch him become the next Pat Mahomes on the Colts while you say “damn, I really wanted him and probably could have had him” And then of course, if neither of those are the case, and he doesn’t want a QB, or is pretty equal on all of the defensive options, or really wants a corner with the first pick, then yeah absolutely - stand pat and move back if you can.

If they get it of course. Have your limit and don’t cross it… But it’s not going to be a real big seller’s market unless you’re the Bears, and the Cardinals would probably like to stay within striking distance of the top defensive players.

Never a doubt!

Made it to one. Beer cost more than the ticket.

I don’t think there will be a ton looking for a backup QB who looked worse than the average backup QB and is a poor locker room presence…. Will take a certain kind of ego. IMO.