5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Counterpoint two: they are

Your evidence that they're trumpers literally says "Used to support trump"

that's a double wow

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a

Netanyahu vows to invade Rafah ‘with or without a deal’ as cease-fire talks with Hamas continue

Where did Portlandia in Freeland get all of those Soros tents?

Being against Joe Biden means you're MAGA now.   

Good stuff LOL!

Counterpoint:  they're not 

What will his personal integrity be leveraged to get between now and the election?  Is it "in case of emergency" legislation only? 

I don't see much legislating happening between now and then.   At least that's historically what happens in election years. 

I'm not a professional political strategist but seeing them have a huge family squabble that is a complete and utter total ****show seems like political gold to me 

I wouldn't feel as ok with letting them do it had they not already passed the aid bills. 

That could be true, I make my statement after the foreign aid bills passed but we can't predict what could be needed in the future.  They should still be extracting something for it.  

I'd like to know what the Democrats are getting in return for this.    Not knowing this aspect, I'm not sure saving Maga Mike is what the Democrats should do.  

Imagine hating protesters so much you blame parkland shooting victims for abortion bans in a gaza war thread.  

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

This was one day event.   Show up, march and leave.  

These protests are a much more involved commitment.  Put your life on hold complete with trespassing and civil disobedience.

You said something that was false and you could just say, "I forgot about that one".   

I'm fine with you cleaning up your false statement however you see fit, it's a you problem, not a me problem. 

This should not be in the gaza war thread but in the gun thread, but nationally we have had advancements in gun control and their protest was not a failure.   

Just now, smr-nj said:

Really, the protests that morphed into the over-the-top pro-Hamas/anti-Jew “we’re taking over - bring me a pizza” certainly did not help the actual citizens of Gaza as our corner of the world stopped focusing on them to watch the spectacle. (I am going to assume that there were a portion of the initial protesters who were indeed trying to bring more attention to the deaths in Gaza.)

And, Netanyahu has no actual interest from what I see in actually procuring any hostage release…. he’s shoring up his extreme right wing support in Israel with every bomb he drops.

You control what you focus on.  

AT&T Fiber could be squirrely in A2, I work with some folks who's fiber is down b/c the water company cut the conduit during a road construction project.  

excellent maybe now we can talk about the Gaza war in the Gaza war thread. 

13 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Perhaps one reason for the protest is that the US is fully supporting and arming the country killing the civilians—yes, there are a lot of civilians being killed there—whereas in the case of Ukraine the US is actively arming the resistance against the aggressor, so there’s no need for the kids to protest the government’s and university's actions on that one.

I also believe the vast majority of protesters are anti-bombing and anti-supporting the country doing the bombing only, and only a small sliver are actually anti-Semitic or pro-Hamas, and the latter is all anyone in the press wants to report on, because it’s sexy news. Some people might counter that anyone participating in any protest is automatically pro-Hamas. I would strongly disagree with such a counter.

As to why it started spreading all of a sudden last week, I believe that was a reaction to police crackdowns on students at campuses all across the country, especially in Texas, where the governor said in practically so many words that he sent troops not because they’re being violent or anything like that, but because he doesn’t like what side of the issue they’re on and that these protesters belong in jail full stop. 

As for Roe, I seem to remember there were a lot of protests on campus for that one, unless you have info to the contrary? As for guns and school shootings, if US policy had changed and there were a sudden surge in school shootings from almost nothing to being everywhere as a result, I’d think they’d be protesting that en masse. Instead, mass shootings is more of a slow burn issue occurring over decades than an immediate fireball issue occurring across the space of months.

The March for Our lives protest claims to have had between 1.2m and 2m people across the country protesting against gun violence in the wake of the Parkland school shooting.  

It's quite clearly false to suggest school shootings haven't been protested. 

March for Our Lives was one of the largest protests that ever happened in America.   

I'd bet he doesn't attend and golfs instead

Wapo push alert said judge found sleeping tooty in contempt of court 

1 minute ago, oblong said:

In some cases it's just not worth it for the system to process.  My son was arrested in 2020 during the BLM protests.   A whole bunch of them were zip tied and kept in the LCA parking garage then moved to a precinct.  I was following his movements via find my iphone.  They were just grabbing people and holding them because of a curfew, half his group "got away" and word got to us he was arrested.  I was more worried about where my car was since he took it down there.   He had to do an online arraignment but somewhere along the way all the charges were dropped.  This was also during the pandemic so.... priorities.

It seems like that's happening a lot around these protests too. The AP article said that many of the students' suspensions have been lifted.   Most charges against students at University of Texas were dropped to, I believe the article I read said 57 students had the charges dropped. 

Many if not most people charged try to get the charged removed.  It's not two tier justice, it's how the system works for everyone. 

U-Haul Loving Neo-Nazis Mask Up to Trot Through Charleston

https://www.thedailybeast.com/u-haul-loving-neo-nazis-mask-up-to-trot-through-charleston

The Republic party hates dogs because dogs are exquisite judges of character

It's interesting that literal avowed neo nazis get police protection when they protest in this country, and  the college students protesting get arrested.   

So if they have to determine each act is personal or presidential, each of those is going to have a whole string of hearings and arguments and decisions and appeals.   This is going nowhere anytime soon.