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Let's see what the score says: Tork! can't hit the FB. Parker can't hit the FB. Jace Jung can't hit the FB. Lupicus can't hit the FB? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?

I can understand while some might want to keep Candy, assuming he significantly improves in '23. The risk one has with Candy if he significantly bests '22 numbers is that the club misses out on the benefits of such improvement.. That's very, very low. Non-tendering him was in my view of things a reasonable calculated risk and a decision I won't second guess. On the final active roster in '22 there were 3 position players with enough WAR ( offensive and defensive combined using Baseball Reference numbers) to qualify as average MLB position players. Hasse, Baez, and Greene made the cut. There was at least one (i.e., Carpenter) that might have also. The rest did not. I think our biggest danger might be taking too little risk by overvaluing the current position players we have in the organization.

This is where my part of my head is at. On the basis of calculated risk, I don't see it as an outrageous action to cut Candy. What we are experiencing here is the angst that comes with taking a risk.

Candelario, according to Baseball reference, was less than a 1 WAR player last year. His OPS+ in '22 declined from '21 and both were under league average , although in '21 it was close. I tend to think that it is not unreasonable to assume that Candelario will be less than a 1 WAR player in '23. In my mind, this is a calculated risk that someone of equal to better than Jemier can be found . I am somewhat vexed that they supposedly from an earlier post tried offering him less money. I think it is highly understandable for a degree of suspicion to be cast on the decision to move on from Candy. There is risk regardless of whether he was kept or not. Whether it is riskier to keep or move on from Candy it debateable.

I am concerned that both Tork and Jung may be busts. The anxiety I have over Jung is probably irrational.

On a totally different subject, how confident are we that TORK! gets fixed (as a player)this year? my confidence level is roughly 37%. My concern is that he seemed to be having way too many problems hitting fast balls down the middle based upon what I remember seeing at the close of last year. Maybe I am simply being nervous Norman, on the other hand, the brain trust moves by the Tigers indicates there is some concern there as well.

Thanks for this reply. It immediately brought to mind the pamphlet "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine.

This is the point. I am pleased that decisions that should have been made, in some cases, years ago, are finally being made. The fastest way to make a mess of any organization is to delay or deny making obvious decisions swiftly.The Tigers have raised delaying obvious decisions to an art form. Scott Harris is changing that and will change organizational culture for the better if this continues. He is going to churn the utility grade players like they are butter, and very few (maybe only one?) will be on the roster by opening day. There are plenty of Tiger fans and likely members of the Tigers organization proper that have been conditioned to accept players like the Castros to be average to better than average ball players, which they obviously are not. Certain notions such as these must be dispelled and exiled from Tigers Nation so that the real work of fixing this franchise can happen.

It is simply time to relax. Think of it like we are watching a long epic movie. To me it is like I am watching the movie, "The Longest Day" and we are only say, 10 minutes into a movie that runs 2 hours and 58 minutes. A lot of time is left in this offseason. So far, every move that has been made is correct in my book.

C Dom Nunez•C Meibrys Viloria I noticed these 2 catcher on the SF Giants non tendered list. Does anyone have anything solid on these two?

I will make no bones about it. I am delighted by the fact that both Castros and that Jemier were non-tendered. I still want Miggy gone for performance based reasons. to match last year's performance for Harold, Willi, and Jemier in terms of WAR will not be that hard. None o fthe three, when both dWAR and oWAR are counted together get to a 1.1 total. If I am understanding the stats correctly, their performances would still be less than the rate that would produce an 81 win team. If the front office can't find adequate replacement for what is still a collection of sub-mediocrity, then that entire office needs to be canned immediately. Now I will go enjoy my glass of champagne, enjoying an obvious decision that needed to be made.

I am pretty much in agreement here. On the other hand, I do grow weary of feeling like we are continuously sinking money into a 2001 Yugo with 300,000 miles on it.

Very impressive spreadsheet. On the Revenue side, generated at the gate per head was about $3 per head less than I thought.

There was a subdued, nervous snicker when Scott was asked about what the Giants thought about the Tiger's farm system during his media introduction. Then there was even a more quickly subdued smile by Scott Harris himself. My take was that the Tigers have been the laughing stock of MLB for some time now. Harris knew coming in what he had to work with. His major surprise at this point is when he finds something in the organization that is useful.

The Victor Reyes saga is exactly what has been one of the major problems with the Tigers. AA held on to subpar players and sold them as legit. My sincere hope is that the oversupply of these not even league average players are cleaned out immediately.

Why would anyone be upset by Reyes getting axed? Career offensive WAR after five seasons .7 WAR Career defensive WAR after five seasons -.6 WAR 2022 salary $1,400,000 What we are discussing here is an overpaid AAA player being sold to the fan base as a bona fide major league player. Kudos to Scott Harris for doing what should have been done 2 years ago.

No that is not me. I just thought that this was the closest video I could find that personified "insane Scottish Bagpiper".

Is this one of Al's can't miss Tiger prospects? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Op1Mng4oY

The Tigers haven't fielded a team that can reasonably be expected to be mediocre ((i.e., 81 wins) for some time. I am not too concerned where or how the organization finds better players. Do it now, because I am tired of watching this ridiculous and insane collection Scottish bagpipers trying to impersonate ball players.

Nothing like the sound of good 'ole Anglo-Saxon in the morning.

This hits the nail on the head. We have maybe 3 or 4 position players on the 26 man roster that would make a mediocre (81 wins) team. That means as of the close of the 2022 season, at least 9 of the position players would not have a role on a mediocre team, let alone a playoff team. On the 26 man , as of the end of 2022, there are only 8 or 9 players, including the pitchers I would consider major league quality for a mediocre team.

We have a 40 man roster with 2 Castros, Kody Clemens,Zack Short, and a player named Miggy. So far, I see another 5 to 7 players who need to be gone.

Barnhart would be a marginal improvement over Raul Casanova.

With respect to whether Barnhart or Norris having been offered contracts seems unclear. The election of free agency by both shows up as transactions in MLB sources.

I did not want to see Norris or Barnhart Back, so to see both electing free agency is a hopeful sign.