TigerNation

There's a wide range of outcomes, but you can be very confident in the floor of performance for some things. Like there is no risk of McGonigle coming up and just having terrible plate discipline and regularly chasing sliders 8 inches off the plate. It's simply not a risk at all, he's not gonna K 22% of the time. You can pretty much be 100% confident than McGonigle will be greater than 70th percentile in contact rate and chase rate. Same goes for Max Clark.

McGonigle is absolutely an old school throw back try hard middle infielder.

No ****? Not relevant to anything I've said. Prospect rankings are biased towards physical upside and raw tools. In order for somebody to be as highly regarded as McGonigle is while being 5'9 and not an explosive athlete, you have to be so insanely good at everything else. It seems you think I said, or implied, he has anything other than a ridiculously high ceiling. I did not, he has an MVP level ceiling.

His height and athleticism are only problems in the context of his absolute ceiling, and that's in comparison to the players who reach 9-10+ WAR seasons. He has first ballot HOF potential.

Pretty much. If McGonigle projected as a plus defender at SS nobody would rank Griffin ahead of him. He's also not 5'11.

Yeah, hence why he's as safe of a prospect as there is. My point is not that he has a low ceiling. Griffin is not ranked higher by anybody because of current performance, it's because he has more upside due to his physical tools.

He's short and not an explosive athlete. Not to say he doesn't have a high ceiling, he absolutely does. But the reason Griffin is ranked higher by some people is because of his physical tools providing a higher ceiling. McGonigle is not going to add a bunch of a value with his base running and fielding, and with his size he's not going to hit 35+ HRs. It's all just to say, for somebody who projects at 2B, and not much physical projection growth, for him to be as highly regarded of a prospect as he is, the bar is so much higher. The fact he so easily clears it removes any concern about him being anything besides a + player in the majors. It would be an absolute shocker if he's not a 3+ WAR player at least, he just doesn't have the absolute upside of somebody like a Witt jr.

And another thing with McGonigle, he has physical limitations that limit his ceiling. For him to still be a consensus top 2 prospect, so much of that is because he is as safe of a bet as a prospect can be, he just has such a high floor.

You realize all Boras has to do is ask a question about the what contract terms a team might offer to a hypothetical player with similar stats to Skubal and it's not tampering, right?

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/kevin-mcgonigle-talks-hitting/

McGonigle has been playing some 3b in the Fall League. So he may get a shot there too, as they try to find as many fits as they can for all the 2B prospects.

What stats at the time of the trade are you looking at? You're not valuing them based on the production they had for another team.

Pitch com replaced signals, catchers no longer signal the pitch to the pitcher.

Or they could just use the pitch com, which eliminates sign stealing.

Some 100 PA rolling numbers for McGonigle in AA.