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Thinking it could be possible to get Miller without giving up a top 100 prospect is some of the most delusional trade talk I've ever seen.

Miller would net a top 100 prospect if he was a two month rental, and you're getting him for 5 postseason runs. You'd have to absolutely blow the As away with an offer, they have no desire to move him now.

1 hour ago, ICroupier said:

You'd have to give up WAY more than our #25 prospect for Miller, down year or not.

I'd think a Dylan Smith and Max Anderson-type package would be needed. Not saying I'd do it, but that's what it would take.

That package for Miller? 

Do you guys not realize Miller has a 14+ K/9 and has four more years of control right?

3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Some additional thoughts on those guys (I had this in another thread... but it was yesterday's game thread and this post is trade related... specifically thoughts on DeGrom/ Chapman/ Miller...):

 

I think the biggest bang for the buck on the pitching side...

Meaning lowest trade cost but highest impact... is to trade for an older veteran who still has some dominance.

The Rangers are struggling: Jacob DeGrom.

I don't think the Rangers get near what it would cost for Garret Crochet or Joe Ryan. Just a guess. Sale would be costly (in prospect terms)... but what if a team wanted to contend next year after flopping out this year... could we include Mize or Montero for Sale or DeGrom and not spend much in prospect capital? 

Just some thoughts.

And I would prefer a 1-2 punch of Skubal-DeGrom with Olson/ Flaherty at the back-end than Skubal-Mize-Flaherty-Olson... especially in the playoffs. And/or the World Series.

But that's just me.

Same thing on the reliever side. Aroldis Chapman should cost significantly less than Mason Miller in prospect capital.

I would like to get them both however.

Can we send Tyler Mattison (Miller-wannabe-who-will-probably-never-be...) to the A's for Miller? Maybe they could "fix him up" to be a pale replacement for him? Plus additional pieces as necessary?

Just spit-ballin'...

Miller will require at least two of Clark, McGonigle, Rainer, and Briceno, plus some extra.

Melton with 33Ks and 6 BB in 20.2 IP in AAA. One to keep an eye for an end of season bullpen tryout.

I'm old enough to remember when Riley Greene was overrated and should've been dropped to 7th in the order.

3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Perez certainly has looked liked a borderline All Star level player when he is on the field, hard to say for sure if that is truly the caliber of player he is but boy if it were that would be quite the unexpected surprise. 

178 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 82 PAs is MVP level, not borderline all-star.

Unfortunately it's not at all sustainable.

5 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Riley may be the best Tigers home grown outfielder since Mr. Kaline and Mr. Horton. He has a ways to go to be in Gibby's class, but his ceiling is higher because of his D. He also plays as hard as Gibby, which may result in a similar injury history. Looking back at his draft, it's close between Whitt, Greene and Corbin for top spot, imho

I mean, it's clearly Witt.

3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

I think our disconnect starts with the premise that I don’t think the Pirates have a chance to win anytime soon.  I want to believe that their front office sees that.  

They suck and aren’t even playing any young players, which all the other mlb teams that suck are at least doing.    

They are a small market team and the only way they can ever get better is to build from their own farm system.   That farm system is average to weak but its strength is starting pitching.   Trading their most valuable asset would get them prospects to become the top farm system in baseball.   One trade would take them from a very weak future to one that suddenly has some forecastable potential.   

I also believe both the term and dollars of Skenes controlled contract makes him even more valuable on the market.   They can ask for even more because of the favorable contract.    There is some added value to them if they choose to move off his very team friendly deal which I agree they ideally wouldn’t want to do.

Again, unless Skenes asks out (which he really has no leverage on), I don’t see them making a trade.  It’s a big, bold move and the Buccos aren’t a big, bold franchise anymore.   They chances are definitely more than zero and it may actually be the right move for them to make

 

Skenes is a money maker, which is far more valuable than maybe winning more in the future for the Pirates owner.

They're not trading him until he's got a year left.

45 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

What do they do about Carp? This slump is going on 3 weeks.  
 

Since that 3HR game against the White Sox:

5 hits in 37 AB 0 HR 0 RBI 0 BB

 

He was slumping in the couple weeks before that one game, so it's really been going on five weeks.

2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Keith should have been charging in a lot sooner and quicker than he did.  The pitcher should not be the one fielding that bunt.  

Rays announcer was absolutely flabbergasted that that was the best the Tigers could do defensively.

10 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

When I’ve called them, they’ve always responded immediately. I’m just not in the mood to call them today. I’m sure people have called them and there’s something wrong with their system and they seem unable to fix it. This is a system wide failure and not specific to an individual.

The stream that I pirate uses the MLB tv feeds and it's working fine. 

Should we still drop the overrated Riley Greene to 7th in the lineup?

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

TBF, the return for Betts wasn't that bad for a guy in his walk season that they weren't going to sign. Verdugo and Wong are at least useful major leaguers. It wasn't equal player value to Betts but he was on his way to FA so equal value was never on the table.

The only reason Betts was in his walk season was because the Red Sox decided to play broke. The Dodgers signed up to an extension before entering FA. So from the perspective of Red Sox fans they aren't looking at it as a walk year trade.

31 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

With the weather forecast for Wednesday, we just may get a Skubal-Skenes matchup on Thursday.

Skenes would just be moved back to Friday.

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Dodgers are so hard up for pitching, they didn't even send him out for a rehab start. Pretty arrogant (and ignorant.)

But yeah, anything that guy does no longer surprises me. He's a.....freak. 😆

They don't want to lose his bat, they can't send him down.

3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Both lefties too. Nullifies a bit of our power bats.

The Tigers actually hit much better against LHP this year.

1 hour ago, Toddwert said:

some people are call this a blockbuster trade more like a blockbuster give away.... wonder how much they shopped around and if harris made an offer

Read that he was not shopped around at all.

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

National media can't get it right even when they do cover the Tigers. From the ESPN game summary tonight:

I'm sure Jake would love to have 5 more years of career before him than he does.

They meant Riley Greene.

28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

That reason was Bobby Witt, Jr.

They basically need him to be a 10 WAR guy every year. That was always unlikely.

6 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

I still prefer Mason Miller. My highest target.

Miller will cost a fortune. Two top 100 prospects + some.

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Royals lose again, they are 10.5 back and are as close to the last place White Sox as they are to us. 

They were very obviously frauds last year, and for some reason everybody thought they'd be contenders for the foreseeable future.

2 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Meadows is in a funk. I hope he can get out of it soon.

15% BB rate and a 15% K rate. His performance is nothing but encouraging.

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Riley got called out in the first inning on a nearly-as-ridiculous miss for a third strike. Cubs announcers are borderline apoplectic about it. Their response to Riley’s called strike? A smirky “oh well”.

He said "too bad, so sad."

17 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

I still don't quite get openers for starters. Bullpen days ok but if you don't trust your starter in the first....

It's not about not trusting your starter in the first. It's about not trusting him to face the top of the lineup a third time through. You use the opener so he can face the bottom of the lineup a third time through, and not the top.

1 minute ago, lordstanley said:

I was going to ask whether Carp played that an angle on purpose instead of getting right under it for a straight jump up. 

If he was straight under it he wouldn't have needed to jump at all.