TigerNation

24 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Like any of these picks, whether they are mistakes or not are subjective, and it takes a lot more track record for each of these players to make a determination.

If the drafted player reaches the majors and is a quality player there, the pick was a success. The odds of any one pick being the best possible pick are far too small for there to be any reason to compare who you got with somebody who was drafted after.

1 hour ago, Cruzer1 said:

Only 6 innings in AA. He needs experience against top bats. A good example is Grayson  Rodriguez. Everybody thought he was ready, but he wasn't.

Grayson Rodriguez is a good example for pushing Jobe to the majors as fast as possible. If you are dominating in the minors you keep pushing until they fail. If they struggle in the majors you can send them back down, just like with Grayson. And Grayson overall had a very promising year in the majors.

9 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't think Manning has been especially impressive when he has been on the field.  He certainly has shown flashes, but has not sustained anything for more than few weeks and has low strikeout rates.  I was more impressed with what Olsen did last year than anything Manning has done.     

Agreed, and Mannings statcast data is not good either.

The only hope I have with Manning is that he can be a durable innings eater, which he hasn't come close to doing. But he does have the frame and build that looks capable of being a guy that can go out and give you 200 IP.

A back of the rotation guy that can give you a mid 4 ERA is valuable, especially when that guy is cheap and under team control. But that's about all I'd hope for out of him at this point.

2 hours ago, Toddwert said:

doesnt look like its being broadcasted anywhere not MLB.com or MILB.com

It's being streamed on MLB.com.

2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I know it's not easy finding a two way player but it sure would be nice to actually have one prospect that we could feel good about with the bat and the glove. They don't need to be gold glove caliber or anything but just somebody that you could feel confident in that they can handle their position along with being able to hit.

Greene would probably be the closest to that in the past 15 or so years but even he had some questions about how he would handle center and in turn how well the bat would play if he got moved to a corner spot. But other than that every bat we've had seems to come with major defensive question marks, like not small question marks but like "they may need to be a DH" type question mark.

There was really no question about how Greene's bat would play at a corner. He was a top 5 pick when nobody was really expecting him to be anything more than a passable defender in a corner spot. His bat was always projected to play anywhere.

And Clark certainly fits the mold of a two way player, though he's still got a ways to go.

4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Max Clark was 2-2 with a double today before being replaced. Don't really follow the going ons of rookie ball so not sure if that is kinda standard procedure or if something happened to him. 

That was a suspended game.

They played another, full, game today as well, which he played in.

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

Has 4 hits on the season so far—2 doubles, 1 triple and a dinger.  He told the TikTok crowd that singles are for pussies.

2 for 3 with a 2B, HR, and BB today.

17 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I think more to provide some PR that they are not suppressing service time while still leaving owners free to suppress service time for 90% of players. 

Teams have always been free to suppress service time, and they have only ever done it for top prospects.

If a guy isn't projected to be an impact player, he's not being held down to suppress service time, he's being held down because he's not good enough to force his way to the majors. 

Hoping to see Jobe get promoted to WM this year so I can catch one of his starts.

Wonder if they might just keep him down in Lakeland though so he can get more reps, easier competition makes it easier to pitch deeper into games, and he still hasn't gotten past 4 IP in a start yet. Curious to see how cautious they are with managing his workload, and how much they're even looking to stretch him out this year.

He's just barely past 100 IP in his career at this point. Coupled with his lack of pitching in HS, he's got so much less wear and tear on his arm compared to everyone else his age. But no way of knowing how he can hold up through 100 pitches or for a full season until he does it.

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

This really has nothing to do with the Tigers but I'm curious why baseball players are allowed to negotiate contracts with agents and pro teams and not lose their college eligibility yet for sports like the NBA and NFL the moment they sign with an agent they forfeit their eligibility. 

That is no longer true for the NBA. Players can sign with approved agents and maintain their eligibility, but they have to withdraw their name before the draft.

Hockey players can be drafted and still go back to college with their team retaining their rights. It's common even for first round picks to play an additional season in college. 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jackson-jobe-has-an-electric-arm-and-a-desire-to-expand-his-arsenal/

30 minutes ago, oblong said:

What is your take on this?  I don’t know the rule and don’t feel like looking it up but I’m pretty sure it’s not a judgement call b/c I have seen guys called out for walking back after they simply turned to the left, after stopping, instead of right, to go back to the bag.  His right foot ends up closer to that side of the field as he’s stopping.  Sorry but that’s what you have to do in order to be able to run past the bag. 

I had a play like that in little league, except I knew I fucked up right away and raced back to the base and beat the tag. In the stands my dad also realized right away and commented to my mom that I was going to have to get back to the base.

Embarrassing mistake.

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

I must be remembering it wrong then and it wasn't Verlander that said it but instead was the media or Astros themselves but I do know for sure that the narrative going around at the time was how the Astros scouting and/or coaching staff "fixed" Verlander during his dominant run to end that season. 

There was definitely discussion about how analytically advanced Houston was, and how Verlander was absorbing all that info. I recall Hinch making a comment about Verlander being the player who was most interested in all of the data they had.

And the media absolutely portrayed it that way, but Verlander refuted that as he had already figured things out and was pitching great beforehand.

7 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Didn't we hear similar type comments from Verlander when he went to the Astros and started dominating? Like how the Astros saw something in their video and it fixed his struggles? The only difference is that Verlander was actually pretty dominant the month or 6 weeks leading up to him going to the Astros so it's not like they just magically cured him, he was cured towards of the end of his tenure here. 

I remember the exact opposite where in a ST interview the following year a reporter asked him about getting traded and turning things around, and Verlander replied that he had already turned things around before the trade.

10 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

It's easy to forget he is 22 because it feels like he has been here forever. He is a big guy so I think sometimes it takes a little more time to figure out your body. I mean to put it in context he would have been drafted either this year or the year before had he went to college. If we take out the May start in which he was getting used to the league from June 1st he has a wRC+ 128 .841 OPS with a .287 AVG and a 14.9% K rate along with an 11.2% walk rate. He isn't Carpenter level yet but he's 22 and doing that at AA. That being said it isn't all sunshine and roses. He needs to work on hitting lefties. He is hitting a .540 OPS against them which you just can't do if you want to make it to the bigs. 
 

 

Looked like he was upset with himself at first.

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

He's seems very steady - no 4/4s  but very few 0/4. Only 2 games in July without a hit. Doesn't walk much though.

10.2% is a plus BB%.

35 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

They shouldn't, but is Chris I. willing to do the homework to find a guy he has to look for? We can only hope. I'd still put the odds higher that he just tells Avila to hire his replacement and move upstairs. Path of least resistance.

Takes no effort for him to hire a search firm to make recommendations for him.

29 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

Santana OPS by month since May:

May: 711

June: 780

July: 859

For season 686 (shows you how awful his April was). How an 18-year-old playing at A ball (where he is the youngest position player in the league) with his profile is not listed on every Tigers top 10 prospect is mystifying. 

A BB% of 15.2 is very encouraging. Not sure where he was on other lists, but fangraphs had him 5th in the pre season rankings, and I'd agree he's done nothing to really fall far off from that spot.

5 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Oh yeah, the Jerk Store called and they're running out of you !

What's the difference? Tony La Russa is their all-time best seller!

This is the majors right?

5 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I can't watch this game because Bally's has the wrong Zip Code for me.    And I can't change it to the right one

It wants to know my cable provider.   I have the streaming service because I don't have cable.  ITS THE REASON I SIGNED UP FOR THE STREAMING SERVICE !!!!!!!!!!!

I've had issues with both Bally and Fox apps where they put me in a completely different market for some reason.

20 minutes ago, casimir said:

I feel bad for the families during these debuts.  They just want to watch their son/brother/grandson play. They’re probably nervous enough to begin with.  Then they get a camera jammed in their face.

I can't remember who the player was, but I remember seeing a clip of them doing one of these interviews and the players dad was just completely wasted.

9 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

The one benefit of drafting a HS pitcher vs. one that went to college for 3 years is that college coaches can sometimes be notoriously hard on the pitchers, after all their main concern is how they perform for them and their team, how they perform down the road in the majors doesn't really matter to them.

Where as if you draft them and control them for those 3 years he would otherwise be in college you get to monitor his workload give him access to professional coaches,trainers, facilities, medical staff and can just better dictate his development. Of course considering the Tigers history at doing so that may not be the best thing for a player. 

The Tigers recent history of drafting and developing pitchers is pretty good though.

20 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Keith > Pacheco.  Pacheco’s swing and miss tendencies will likely become more of an issue as he moves up.  The only knock against Keith were concerns about how much power he’d have, which I think he’s addressed.

I’d rank the hitters this way:

1. Keith

2. Wenceel

3. Pacheco

4. Carpenter 

5. Campos

6. Dingler

7. Santana 

I know the big question for Pacheco was whether he'd be able to make enough contact for his power to play enough in game, but a K rate of 20.3% is certainly promising in that regard.

Keith was ranked higher preseason and has performed better at a higher level, so I'd say he's still clearly ahead of Pacheco.