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This is a really good context to look at our relationship with him through.... it's an abusive relationship that we, as a country, are unable to break out of. We have all these debates about whether or not he's downstream of partisan media outlets or social media or what have you, but nobody (on either side of the political spectrum) has the kind of hold that he does on such a large part of the country. And it reads almost like a codependency.... its why it gives off "cult" vibes.

One issue with Silver falling back on that is that he very often in recent years has veered out of his lane and, in the process, not heeded that advice (ie. COVID)

To be honest, I didn't really tune in or start even reading into it until when closing arguments began.... I wouldn't have put money on a conviction either, despite the strength of the prosecution, due to the stature of the defendant.

He didn't take questions.... interesting

People are going to focus on Trump supporters or whether any persuasion comes off of this, but the biggest impact potentially comes from Biden's base, IMO.

I don't necessarily trust the magnitude of the breakdowns, but directionally at least, I think it's probably right in suggesting people weren't paying attention, vaguely thought Trump committed crimes in this case but didn't think that he would be convicted.... and that all changed yesterday. Where we go from here, I don't know.... but I do think the thread is generally correct in where changes may happen.

Agreed, and I'll add one more: 3) I think it speaks volumes that none of his defenders in media this morning (at least that I've seen) are saying he is innoncent and are, instead, attacking the fact that this case was brought

In the very short term, I don't see the issue with keeping their powder dry.... I don't know how any of this ultimately will play out.

And his lawyers are going to let him as well.... just insane.

There will be a lot of speculation in the coming days about what impact the conviction may have, but this data maybe gives a clue where you might see movement (if it happens)... People are so accustomed to him just getting away with anything and everything to the point of people seeing him as a cartoon character.... and this event has the potential of piercing that image (at least more than anything in recent memory)

My understanding is that he's still bound by the gag order, right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. That just adds risk, kinda similar to his E. Jean Carroll situation in the civil suits.

Incredible

Good question... we were promised people in the streets for this, weren't we?

lol

What a terrible ****ing argument when taken to it's logical end. Basically means that politicians should just do all the crimin they want.

Jimmy Swaggart vibes here lol

It's like the TV Preachers.... my goodness.

Wouldn't that impact his appeal process as well? People are generally taking the line that he'll get out of this on appeal, but I don't know that it's actually true given (from everything I've heard) the strength of the case and the professionalism of the prosecution team... let alone anything he does or says between now and that point in time.

Boy, the hit dogs are a hollerin' tonight....

Been off the reservation for a few days.... Is Matt Vierling finally getting a little bit of respect? Finally???

There's a whole litany of reasons to despise Donald Trump, but his continued ****ing on veterans and fallen soldiers remains high on the list in my book. Late last year, John Kelly went on record to confirm that he did, in fact, call fallen soldiers of WWI "suckers and losers"... and yet, there's a whole ecosystem that exists to pretend that everyone is just lying and conspiring and whatnot. Gaslighting is overused as a phrase, but this is exactly what it is.

I have no idea what will happen, haven't followed closely at all.... but if today's closing arguments are any indications, the legal firepower on both sides is like lining up the New York Yankees against the White Sox Low-A affiliate lol

It's definitely on account of preseason expectations, but from what we saw this weekend (and having looked in on a few Jays games at various points this season), I'm not sure they're far off of what they are at this point.

The situation reminds me a little bit of the Javy baserunning ****up last year in Toronto where he ended up getting yanked. Similarly, AJ/Brass really didn't have much of a choice, both in terms of performance and in terms of temperament in this case. Especially with Lange who has options and needing to get back on track.