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The caveat to all of this is that Mize is a player inherited from the previous regime and may not, at this point, be a talent that he wishes to keep around much longer. I'd like to see them try to extend players (Riley Greene being the one that comes to mind at the moment), but it's hard to tell if it's an organization philosophy or just how they view the individual player

Having Skubal going for Game 5 of the ALDS last year was a massive advantage. But it wasn't a guarantee either... remember thinking that at the time.

It's a really good point... This is a more talented lineup today than the one they were running out even in June. Replacing Rogers with Valencia, More Max Clark and less Jahmai Jones/James Outman, Gleyber/Javy back, etc.

That Flaherty tweet really pissed me off as well.... setting aside the fact that his early season performance wasn't good, he literally owes the ring on his finger to a deadline deal and, like Skubal, he's a player who's really involved with the MLBPA. Nobody on this team should understand how this league works better than him. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. I would get it the sentiment coming from Keider Montero, but it lands really poorly coming from him.

The consensus view from the more critical types of the deal is that the longer the Tigers had waited the higher a price they could have extracted. But absent any real competitive market or bidding war for Skubal's services, I don't really buy that it was inevitable that they price would have gone up. Basically, the Dodgers made an acceptable offer and (it would appear) that others didn't. If you hold out or keep upping the 'ante, they absolutely would have risked the Dodgers taking their bat and ball and going somewhere else.

The PR tour that he went on back in the winter, hitting the Wings and Lions games... that's a Boras special right there.

This is my interpretation of what he was saying. Maybe there were periodic check-ins to see if he would reconsider, but those aren't really formal discussions about a contract either. Never did believe they had a chance of resigning him

I don't know that I take the comment to be literal but rather that the initial discussion with Boras pretty much set the tone for everything that came after.

Really even had they won one of the two games they blew against the Royals in the prior series as well. That ultimately is what made the Baltimore series feel like a playoff series

The Tigers case for buying or selling was on a knifes edge. And they had two series coming off the Angels Cubs series against mediocre teams (Royals, Orioles) and, frankly, underperformed. I'm not sure I fall completely on the side that he landed, but it's not hard to understand at all

There's a whole boatload of games this season that could have went a different way that maybe prevents this outcome. Even got to see one live (the one where Kerry hit a grand slam and they still managed to lose). They were in a really tough spot this deadline, perhaps tougher than any other team. Wish they would have played better and nailed some games down earlier in the season

Since he was acquired via trade, are we allowed to nickname him "Kash Konsiderations"?

Between his union involvement and his 2024 WS Ring, Flaherty of all players should understand how this sport works

I think this is well articulated. It'd be easier to be excited by this deal if they were 10 games out of a playoff spot, harder with where they are currently sitting

Not necessarily heavy lifting, but do question whether it was worth trading him away for. As you said, not by a mile.

Kash Mayfield is probably better than a sandwich pick....

Sure went down to the wire... lets see what the return is

And the reality is that if the Brewers and Rays weren't going to play ball (and by all accounts, they weren't), that impacts the price that would ultimately be returned as well. That sort of nuance gets left out of a lot of trade talk.... there wasn't a bidding war for Skubal's services, which left them what the Dodgers were willing to offer up. Which in the grand scheme of things was fine.

Based on ESPN's analysis, I'd ban grades as well TBH. Literally gave them a D based on people's expectations rather than the actual market to bear.

To tack onto my latest post, I'm with you in the sense that I don't think other teams will be able to offer up enough. Which is OK... they aren't where the Royals or Angels are in the standings, they have the ability as it stands to give us (at a minimum) a couple more months of entertaining baseball. There is nothing wrong with that.

This may be true (debatable given Casey's injury history), but ultimately in order to maximize value in trades, you have to be willing to risk that teams may not be able to get to the asking price you want. We're lucky with Casey in that he can return a sandwich pick and that there's a pretty good case to keep him given their position in the standings. Not saying that they should under no circumstances trade him, but they shouldn't be desperate to take any deal thrown in front of them either.

This is exactly right. Even that aside, it would be crazy for them to not use their position in the standings as a point of leverage to increase a potential return. At the end of the day, they will at least get something back if he walks... they don't *need* to trade him, and they should negotiate accordingly

To me, if they trade anyone else, it should be Gleyber for the simple fact that he can walk at the end of the season and Hao Yu Lee can man second the rest of the season. Just wonder if he can bring much back bullpen wise that can be useful this season (I am skeptical). The fact that they can make a QO to Mize raises the bar some to trading him IMO. They shouldn't feel obliged to do it unless they really like an offer.

Also, the AL is, for lack of a better term, ass this year. Whoever makes it into the playoffs this season in the AL is going to have at least a small chance of making the World Series on that fact alone.

If River Ryan does in fact pitch on this team this year and they are still hanging in there, seems like he would be a good addition to the bullpen for this season?