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TACO Trump is on the clock....

This is going to get lost in a lot of the chaos that the administration is inflicting on the nation right now, but Terry Moran told the truth and was punished for it.

I'm not all that happy with the current state of the Democratic Party but Bombers is more or less right IMO... There is zero harm in acknowledging this I would add this is, at least at this moment, a deeply polarized country, much more deeply polarized than it was in 2008. I agree with the need to break that, but we need to be clear that is something that will not be broken in one Midterm and Presidential election cycle... It's more of a generational problem

No argument there... But where I differ is that there is no strategy here, this is just an administration that breaks a lot of laws and does exponentially more corrupt acts than any other. It's not exactly surprising when you get a new story every single day

Because the federal government keeps indictments sealed on a fairly regular basis? Specifically with respect to high profile defendants? To be clear, I was responding to the idea that they cooked this up today to specifically deflect on the whole Trump/Musk chaos. That clearly isn't what happened here, plus this administration (reactionary as they are) are not nearly as strategic in their actions as MAGA and some anti-MAGA think they are.

Sure

The indictment happened two weeks ago...

Regarding Point 2, Elon Musk's popularity is somewhere on level of George W Bush in 2007-2008. His intervention in Wisconsin in their Supreme Court election turned out to be a dumpster fire for the more conservative candidate. Khanna is entitled to his opinion, but just on the politics alone, it seems pretty clear that his interests (as you suggest, influenced by his own experiences in his district) probably don't align with a greater strategy of winning the kinds of districts that will be decisive in the next Midterm

I get your point, but historically, in-power Presidents struggle in Midterm cycles. That's basically a precedent at this point. In order to break that, it's important to acknowledge that reality and not just pretend it doesn't exist.

I'm not a lawyer, but their public comments about him leading up to this point are going to be a real issue for prosecuting him IMO

I was reliably told by various members of Trump's administration (including Trump himself, Vance, his Press Secretary, etc) that it was he was never leaving El Salvador. Interesting

There is this as well.... there is a real difference to how the GOP performs with Trump on the ballot versus off the ballot.

With an election that was decided by 200k voters over three states and the environment heading in (with voters pissed off after inflation in 2022 and 2023), the election swung a lot more on voters wanting to fire the last administration for said economic environment over any specific policy proposals than it did Kamala Harris pushing a policy proposal for first time homebuyers. Not a value judgment on the policy, but had she had the same policy proposals with an electorate that wasn't polarized against the administration she served in, I think she would have won.

Bumping this... Ultimately, all of this should fall on Donald Trump for letting him into government. Full stop

The fact that Holic only seems to emerge to talk about the last President (as opposed to the current one)... is telling

@Tigeraholic1 Always Chickens Out

I'm sure we'll read more about his whiplash mental state in Jake Tapper's new book, set to be released in May 2029

To be clear, Chris' daddy took about 10 seasons to see the light himself.... so maybe they have more in common than most Tiger fans would admit.

I'm still speechless from this one.... just an incredibly stupid thing to say. And while it's Iowa, it's a more competitive state when Trump's name ain't on the ballot.

One of your responses to me was that pardons were out of control "on both sides". Which implies an equivalence. So yeah, you're getting a "but Trump" because, by your own admission later on in the thread, there really isn't an equivalence (ie. a "both sides") to discuss here.

I question how much Musk is stepping back, but to the extent that he's being forced out and that he's being pushed in front of the bus in the press, nobody should forget who brought him on to the do the damage that he did. I'm going to go ahead and quote Harry Truman's desk: "The buck stops here!" Which means the ultimate responsibility for allowing an unelected mentally deranged drug addict to run roughshod over government lies with Donald Trump. Musk deserves rage, of course, but let's not lose sight of this fact either.