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To the extent that anyone is glossing over McVey and his role, it feels like now is the first time since Goff arrived in Detroit where people actually *are* glossing over McVey and his role. In part because Goff has been playing at a pretty high level of late on a non-McVey coached team. Of course, a lot of that is a mix higher level of talent and better coaching that the Lions have had during this part of the season. But nonetheless, it does suggest that it isnt just McVey who can unlock Goff's talent and abilities.

This is all true, he's not the best QB in the NFL and certainly hasn't totally lived up to being the 1/1 pick, but he's still compares favorably to a lot of starters in the league at this time. Which is probably good enough for where they are at this point. But even aside from all the other stuff mentioned in terms of on-field play, he should be commended for really putting in the work off the field and in the community. Now Walter Payton MOY candidate for the second year in a row. Whether he makes sense as a long term fit is a fair question, but for a guy who came in from the outside as an outcast, you can sense that he clearly wants this to work over the long term and has gone above and beyond in terms of ingratiating himself in Detroit. That seems notable to me... not hard to envision another player in a similar situation viewing coming to the Lions as a career death sentence, akin to being sent to Siberia.

This is a fair take. As it stands right now, they need help on the defense more than they need to roll the dice on one of these QBs

Whatever the announcement is, my default belief is that it will be similar to "Al Capone's Vault" in terms of build up versus result.

Funny enough, I actually sat down and watched the sequel last night (2010) for the first time last night. Can't believe I'm saying it, but it was actually pretty good, made more sense and was a lot less pretentious than 2001....

I'm just waiting to find out who the next Marcelo Mayer or Zach Neto is lol...

Pitching hurt.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up there at some point.

Probably the only area where this franchise currently fits Harris' criteria of "players should want to come here to get better" is pitching, so another one year get right deal makes sense. He may be better than half the batting order as well lol

Straight outta Veep lol

Was beginning to think it'd never be official lol

Third base looks pretty good compared to this year, otherwise correct.

Really, if both ERod and Javy opt out, added to Miggy coming off the books, they have zero excuse not to spend next offseason. That's, like, $75 million dollars lol

This post is correct, although the highlighted number could be lower depending on advances by guys like Torkelson/Greene/Meadows, etc. Which also speaks to the fact that, as much as people may roll their eyes at pinning hopes on those already on the roster, in order for them to be even have a chance at being remotely competitive or even sniffing .500 in 2023, more than anything else that is what will make up the difference. Not any one individual free agent signing.

Astounding that these guys will never accept that Dr. Oz was, in fact, a much worse candidate than John Fetterman, even post-stroke.

Is Baez leaving a problem? Seems like most of our fanbase wanted to run him out on a rail during 2022.

Again, aside from Jace Peterson and Mitch Haniger, there isn't a single player that has gone off the board that I had really heard much speculation about regarding the Tigers or that even made a lot of sense for the Tigers given where they find themselves. (Maybe Willson Contreras counts as well, but never really bought that rumor). Let's just see what happens. Whether the moves they make going forward are seen adequate remains to be seen, but I doubt they are done yet.

None of this really answers the question - did anyone really *expect* them to be after Carlos Correa? The 21/22 offseason is ancient history - they were coming off of a 77 win season where one could squint and (with a few lucky bounces) could have envisioned a competitive 2022 season with a future young core of talent. Makes some sense to make an offer to Correa under those circumstances. That was blown to smithereens during this last "Al Capone's vault" of a season in which they were lucky to finish 66-96 given the historic nature of their offensive performance. One which saw a change in GM/PBO as well. Given the situation they are in, there was no reason to believe they would be in on Correa, there was never a single indication that they would be in on Correa. Nor was there any indication that Correa would even want to sign here. But that didn't stop a lot of us from speculating about him anyway lol

I would gather that most people on this board are just as frustrated as you are with the state of the org. But there's a lot of offseason left. And they aren't gonna free agent their way to competitiveness either way.

It's not really about any of us *hoping* for anything, it's about having realistic expectations of what the team will do given the situation that it is in. Did people really expect them to be in on the Carlos Correa sweepstakes? Or Aaron Judge? Outside of *maybe* Mitch Haniger, I'm not sure there's a single big name free agent that has ever been discussed or rumored as a possibility for the Tigers, and even he was probably only a possibility if he was interested in a 1 year "get right" deal. Al left this thing in disrepair... we all know it and we were all elated when he was fired. But the thing about the disrepair he left the organization in, as much as it all sucks and we're all tired of seeing them lose and want instant gratification, is it isn't gonna cure itself on it's own or be fixed overnight. Signing Carlos Correa alone isn't fixing it.

Come on....

The way this offseason is going, it might not be just ERod opting out... lol

He would have this year lol

TBF, from Correa's end, he did hog out $35 million or so last year with the Twins, on top of this deal. So he's doing just fine lol