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1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Is not signing early from a player or team viewpoint?  There have been reports of lots of teams pursuing the top free agents right now.  Of course, that could come from agents.  

To me, the bigger deal is the service time. Teams hold players back just to delay their free agent status. Make it a set age and we may see talent reaching MLB at a younger age. And I also heard rumors that no more losing draft picks for signing free agents?

2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Mickey Lolich in 1971 - 376 innings, 45 starts, 29 complete games and he was a strikeout guy too.   That's insane. 

Followed that year up with 327, 308, 308.   Even at 35, after those 300+ years, he pitched 192 innings and had an ERA of 3.22

 

Then in 1976 Mark Fidrych had 24 complete games, 3 of them going 11 innings and they broke him.  

I would argue that the expansion of the bullpen is, by far, the biggest change in baseball. Maybe the biggest change in any sport.

14 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Which is fine.

But I'm thinking out of Faedo, Olson, Wentz: one of them will be capable of taking on some 5th or 6th starts... and be effective.

I'd still want a veteran 5th/ 6th starter signed for the competition. And that's not even counting Alexander.

I think Brieske or Elvin Rodriguez have to show something in AAA before we think that they could handle some emergency starts or middle relief or whatever... probably not till 2023 at the earliest (just guessing).

PS: On Jobe: I don't think we even start considering him or Madden for at least a couple years... Unless he does turn out to be a fast riser...

Agreed. And I hear a rumor about service time no longer counting. A players age may determines when he's a FA. If so, we may see more young talent at the ML level.

19 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I'll put them in the kreidler category.  Keep an eye on them, but don't count on them.  

Turnbull will be given every opportunity when he regains his health. So will Boyd, if he's still around. If the Tigers sign a SS, I don't think Kreidler will ever be given a shot, at shortstop.

18 minutes ago, casimir said:

Nope, I’m staying out of it.

No, seriously. The Tigers get competitive and there's a work stoppage? That would be horrible. I can barely wait until spring...lol

Just now, casimir said:

No to Peralta. Let someone else pay him for his career season.

I agree. SP isn't the Tigers major need but I would take him on a minor league deal. But we really need to start working on a new CBA.

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Who are those three or four guys?  Jobe and who else?  

I knew that question would pop up. Faedo (sp). And that guy we just added to the 40 man roster, Olson. Turnbull will be back, along with Boyd. And Wentz. Also, a couple of guys named Rodriguez I noticed on our 40 man roster. So yeah,  a few will never make it and a few may get hurt. Or not.

5 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

But Gracia, Brieske, Olsen and Wentz are guys you could call up on during the season when you need them, maybe not guys you expect to be in the rotation.    I mean, to me, they have to sign another veteran arm, the one year "prove your worth" type of deal.    If we think we are going to avoid some sort of long term injury with all 3 of the young guns, we're being a bit naive.  TJ surgeries are starting to become more of the norm these days.   I wonder if anyone is doing a comprehensive study to find out why there are more pitching injuries with pitchers throwing fewer innings than in the past.  A lot of speculation why, but has there been any study?   Dr. James Andrews has become more well-known than most of the players in the league

It really is amazing looking at pitchers stats from the 60's and before. 300 innings? No problem.....

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/piinnp4.shtml

49 minutes ago, casimir said:

And if it comes to that, trade some for other goodies.

I heard Dombrowski say something like that when the Tigers drafted pitchers when he was still the GM. Good SP can get a lot in a trade. Maybe it's how we'll fill the SS role, someone none of us have guessed.

7 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Are we done with starting pitching now or do you think we're still in the market for one more? Personally I would feel better if we signed atleast 1 more, preferably somebody with some upside but at the very least I think we need a back of the rotation guy. 

Right now we have Mize, Skubal, Manning, Rodriguez and presumably Alexander in the rotation but not much depth in the minors to come help us if/when any of the guys get injured or struggle. There's potentially Wentz but that's about it, atleast that I can think of off the top of my head. I suppose there is the option of converting Fulmer back to a starter but that's not a sure thing.  

We have 3 or 4 guys that'll be ready in a year or 2. But yes, get more. Someone once said you can never have too much pitching.

My pick for their 1st win is still alive. Chicago...Turkey Day. Book it.

8-8-1??

4 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

That was one of the worst unblocked kicks I've ever seen in the NFL.

No reason to sign a kicker. Waste of money. Just call in someone from the street. A beer vendor or something.

Oh no. Take the wind!!

8-8-1?

The Lions could still finish at 9-8. They won't but on paper they could. May as well start now.

Just now, TP_Fan said:

He is too injured to throw.  He can’t be in the game.   This is coaching malpractice.  That’s what we were all afraid of, Campbell being in over his head.  Which it’s obvious he is.  He hasn’t improved at all.  It’s sad. 

The passes are there. If we had a QB we could win this game. Pittsburgh is struggling on offense.

11 1st half passing yards. Eleven. Wow.

36 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

You are not old enough to remember Jeff Komlo? Stoney Cae? Ty Detmer? 

Andre Ware, Joey Blue Skies. 

And now for....." Remember This?"

When Leyland was still manager, there was a guy in the stands who looked exactly like him. They showed him on TV and it was funny.

Carry on.....

I wonder what we could get for Skubal? LH pitchers are valuable. Maybe a SS? He gives up too many home runs. But maybe a team thinks they could fix that?

26 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I just became a community regular!

I'm still an agitator.

Just now, Tiger337 said:

Sure, but he'd still be better than Goodrum and the Castros.  

 

One of the outfield statues would be too. 😆

27 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Every terrible player was too.  😀

Touche.

4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

What about Kreidler?  

Every hall of fame player was a rookie at one time or another.