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Also, without looking it up, if I remember correctly, there were two broadcasts of this game, it being a playoff game and all. One was the local broadcast you posted with George Kell and Larry Osterman that ran on channel 2, their local affiliate; the other was the national broadcast running on channel 4 (“WWJ-TV, the Detroit News”), called by, I assume, Curt Gowdy and Tony Kubek.

I’ve been reading a book from a few years ago about the 1964 Birmingham Barons. Campy was on that team, and if the book is to be believed, he was a hothead.

Kim Jong Trump.

Stop, you’re killing me!

I think this is kind of a smart move on Trump’s part, because if Kamala simply refuses, people won’t remember him welshing on the original agreement. They will remember her “chickening out”, or whatever description they apply to it. I think the Democrats need to thread a needle figuring out how to not accept this and for that to also reflect badly on Trump. Since we can’t always predict t the crowd, maybe it is as simple as saying Trump is the chicken, but they do have a point that he agreed to debate Biden under those terms and not Harris, so maybe the crowd will agree with that. We can’t know for sure, but navigating this might be a bit trickier than partisans might give it credit for.

When I see statements like this, I just don’t understand how people can forget that Hillary beat Trump by three million votes. Far more people wanted Hillary to be president than Trump. She won at the polls by 48-46, which is a substantial beating in a country as big as ours. The problem was the ****ing Electoral College, and Hillary committed a strategic error by not giving it the attention that needed. That was a mistake, but that did not make her a horrible candidate, which is the most common adjective I see people apply to her, and which makes me wonder whether not a little sexism is embedded in that criticism. It’s all water under the bridge because here we all are now, but when can we retire the idea that Trump beat her to a bloody pulp? Because he didn’t. She outdrew him. He won by TKO.

Showing off his cruelty cried to the Big Guy.

And that’s going to stop who from doing so? They can simply hammer that message on the fear of the coming unknown. I won’t lie, it makes me a bit nervous.

OK, I've been threatening to do this for a few days, notably here and here, but I just came up with another post that doesn't comfortably fit anywhere, so I'm starting a new thread. This thread for any random factoid, story, joke, poem, and assorted sundry detritus. That's the intent, anyway. The posts don't have to be about the Tigers, necessarily, but any of them could be. This first post is. Some or most of you guys may already know this, but the Detroit Tigers franchise were not founded in 1901. They were founded in 1895 and first played in the minor league Western League, which continued under that name through 1899. It was a league that looked a lot like the future American Association, with teams like the Minneapolis Millers, St. Paul Saints, Kansas City Blues, and the like. In 1900 they changed their name to the American League, still a minor league, and picked up the Chicago White Stockings and the Cleveland Lake Shores. The American League then declared war on the National League and forced their way into becoming a major league, rounding out into the eight-team configuration they would continue with unabated until 1954. The Tigers are one of two teams that started with the 1895 WL, the other being the Milwaukee Brewers, who made their way to St. Louis in 1902 before landing in Balitmore in that 1954 season. That means our Tigers are the one continuing franchise in the American League that has retained their city and identity the entire time. I'm kinda proud of that.

Then there is this. My stomach can't take actually watching the video.

https://x.com/KellDA/status/1819153902153224253I have to admit my stomach did a flip flop when I heard about today's number, and my post in this specific forum is a hint as to why.

Did he use the classic "pull a boner"? Sixth graders especially like that kind of thing.

Is it any worse than waging a culture war about the very French Olympics opening ceremony?

Is it possible that might cost her a bunch of votes in Dearborn and thus put the state at risk?

Again, I think she should say it just once: I am proud of both my African Jamaican and South Asian Indian heritages equally, but in the end, I am most proud to be an American with a chance to do the most good for the American people, something like that. Say it once and let the surrogates tweet that from now to the election.

TBF, if Vance is claiming he's against abortion on sanctity-of-life grounds, then he has to reject the rape and incest exceptions.

If you are basically saying the players say **** everything because they lost Jack Flaherty and don't have Tork on their team, then we don't agree about much when it comes to this topic, so we'll have to just part as friends on this.

So you’re declaring that the Detroit Tigers are a depressing work environment? Come on. This is where A.J. comes in. It is his primary directive to keep these guys motivated and playing hard. I know most people here think his Stanford psychology degree doesn’t mean ****-all and that he was just doing nothing but jacking off there for four years. I strongly disagree with that idea. I think he knows what he’s doing, and I know practically no one here agrees with me, but I think he’s good at it, and that players are doing better under him than they would if we brought Ron Gardenhire back out of retirement.

I think it might be more complicated than that. I don’t think most players conclude that hell, my team is not going to win, so I’m gonna jake it, because **** it. If management concluded as much about the players, it would be career suicide for most of these guys. Some of it is guys coming up who want to prove they belong with the team—Dillon Dingler, Ryan Kreidler, Wenceel Perez, Ryan Vilade, Brieske, Sammons, Vest, Wentz, Montero, Malloy all come to mind, along with come-and-go guys like Hanifee. Other guys are marginal major leaguers who don’t have a long-term connection to the Tigers organization and are playing for their next contract with whoever might sign them, guys like Madris, Urshela, McKinstry, Shelby Miller, Guenther. All these guys have reasons to play hard beyond going to the playoffs, which everyone knows isn’t happening for us. They all have careers to either establish or protect. From the standpoint of incentives, it makes no sense for them to **** around just because the team is on a trajectory to miss the playoffs. Only guys who are secure in their careers, like Skubal or Keith, or guys who have the money but are at the end, like Javy, might be motivated to **** around, and I would think just from the standpoint of their reputations as professionals, they wouldn’t fall into that trap, at least for very long. I wouldn’t say there is zero sloppy play, I’m just pushing back on the idea that players don’t care about playing hard if they know they’re not making the playoffs with this team this year. I think a lot of what we interpret as apathetic play is more lack of ability to perform at the top of the major league profession. I think we as fans just have to occasionally remind ourselves that just because we don’t care about this team this year anymore, that doesn’t mean the players themselves don’t care about protecting their careers or their reputations as professionals. I think they are playing hard. They’re just not capable All-Star-level players, most of them.

Who would be the primary bats in this scenario? Riley, Colt … who else?

They pruned the Hall voter rolls supposedly to get dilettantes like that off them.

If marginal major league players won’t play hard every day, then they must not care much about their careers and their prospects for future income.

How is he with Benetti? I really like Dirks with Dan Dickerson. He’s mostly business with a touch of party, and I think he knows how to loosen Dan up, unlike Bobby Scales who, while I like him all right, seems like he’s working hard when he’s on the air.