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12 minutes ago, buddha said:

we all know what happened.  kwahi's amazing agent team was asking other teams to do the same thing and (they say) they declined.  

there is so much smoke here only true wilfully blind people like adam silver wont be able to find any rule breaking.

kwahi wont get any penalties, fat be it for the players to take any responsibility.  but the clippers should be fined heavily and stripped of multiple years of draft choices.

speaking of which, do the clippers have any draft choices left?  im sure the league is sweating how its going to come up with a creative way to rig the draft process to get the clippers a #1 generational player in the future.

Good point about the draft picks.  Looks like every pick through 2029 has been traded or swapped for LAC.  So 2030 is the first pick they could take away.

The CBA says a player who knowingly participated in this will be fined $350,000.  He will also have his contract voided but no suspension.  So if it's voided before the season, he can just sign with some other team.  Nobody has any money left, so he will take a bit of a financial hit since he was set to make $50 million this year.  

Benefits of a strong union.

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Maybe I'm wrong on the 2030 part.  On years they swap picks, I guess they could revoke the swapped pick LAC received.  But with Kahwi gone, there is a shot LAC finishes below the team they are swapping with, and no swap will happen.  

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Inside Kawhi Leonard’s bizarre list of secret demands from Raptors and how they line up with the alleged Clippers deal

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But multiple sources with knowledge of Toronto’s contract negotiations with Leonard in 2019 told the Star that Leonard’s uncle and representative, Dennis Robertson, made demands that line up almost perfectly with what Leonard reportedly got from Aspiration. According to those sources, who were granted anonymity in order to speak freely about the negotiations, Robertson’s list was long, and absurd. It included a trade for George, which featured an exorbitant price tag. It included a slice of ownership of the Toronto Maple Leafs, which Robertson was told was impossible.

But two details stand out, in retrospect. One, Robertson asked for ownership stakes in outside companies: not just the Leafs, which he seemed to believe was separate, but with other companies with whom MLSE had a relationship. And two, the Raptors were told they needed to match at least $10 million per year in extra sponsorship income. Teams are allowed to introduce players to team sponsors; teams cannot negotiate deals, and MLSE was aware of that fact.

But it didn’t end there. As one source put it, when told about all the corporate sponsors in Toronto who would be happy to have Leonard as a pitchman, his camp said, “We don’t want to do anything.” Raptors representatives said any sponsor would want to shoot ads or arrange appearances; Robertson reiterated Leonard didn’t want to do anything for the money.

That’s when the Raptors realized Leonard wasn’t asking to be introduced to Toronto’s lucrative corporate community; they were being asked to arrange no-show jobs, and arrange no-investment investments. MLSE rejected both proposals.

 

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They seem to be turning things around.  Dumping Lavine was a great start.  Locking up Giddey for 15% of the cap is a steal.  If they are smart, they will dump White next.  They can have over $80 million in cap space next summer.  They have all of their draft picks + a Portland first.  

The Patrick Williams contract, though, yikes.  

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8 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

They seem to be turning things around.  Dumping Lavine was a great start.  Locking up Giddey for 15% of the cap is a steal.  If they are smart, they will dump White next.  They can have over $80 million in cap space next summer.  They have all of their draft picks + a Portland first.  

The Patrick Williams contract, though, yikes.  

its the bulls.  they will always be cheap.  their goal is to make the play in every year.

building your team around josh giddey and coby white is a good step toward always achieving and never surpassing that goal.

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5 minutes ago, buddha said:

its the bulls.  they will always be cheap.  their goal is to make the play in every year.

building your team around josh giddey and coby white is a good step toward always achieving and never surpassing that goal.

They will dump White, or should.  And nobody is building a team around a guy making 15% of the cap.  That is 4th or 5th starter money.  If the Bulls do decide to build around Giddey, that's on them and doesn't change the fact that 15% of the cap is good value for him.  

 

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

The league had an owners meeting today in NYC. I wonder what was discussed.

Probably the plan for hiding all the evidence and paying off the people they need to silence.

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3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

They will dump White, or should.  And nobody is building a team around a guy making 15% of the cap.  That is 4th or 5th starter money.  If the Bulls do decide to build around Giddey, that's on them and doesn't change the fact that 15% of the cap is good value for him.  

 

you talk about the bulls like they are a normal franchise trying to win.

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

New rule starting this season.  End of quarter heaves will count on the team's stat total, but not the players totals.  

What happens if they make it? Do they not get the points added to their total?

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Just now, Betrayer said:

What happens if they make it? Do they not get the points added to their total?

Boy, I don't remember.  They explained all of that when they implemented it in SL.  I think they do and I think all end of quarter shots in the 4th also count, make or miss.  

I will try to find and post all of that in a minute.  

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The NBA press release mentions nothing about made shots, so nobody knows right now.

https://www.nba.com/news/nbas-heave-rule-will-allow-deep-end-of-quarter-shots-without-hurting-shooting-percentages

But this rule was tested in the G-League last year and a made shot was credited to the player.  So I think we can assume that the same will be done for the NBA.

https://gleague.nba.com/gleague-playing-rules

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End of Period “Heaves”: Certain unsuccessful end-of-period “heaves” will be adjusted from an individual player’s missed field goal attempt to a team field goal attempt when the following criteria are met: 1) the missed field goal attempt takes place within the final three seconds of the first three periods of the game, 2) the missed field goal attempt must take place from beyond the outer edge of the center circle extended (i.e., approximately 36 feet from the basket) as shown here, 3) the play must originate in the backcourt.

If a field goal attempt meets the above criteria, and the shot is made, then the player will be credited with a standard made field goal attempt. The team field goal attempts will not be tied to the individual player on the final box score. If a field goal attempt meets the above criteria, but the shot is blocked by a defender, the attempt will count as a team field goal attempt, and the defender will be credited with a blocked shot.  Any associated rebounds after such blocked shot will still be credited to an individual player, as needed.

 

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Interesting. So it's all good either way. You make it, it counts towards your totals. You don't, it doesn't harm you in any way. Curious to see how it goes, but I think I like it. At the very least people won't be afraid to take those shots anymore.

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i wonder who is giving this kwahi-clippers information to pablo torre?  who has an axe to grind?  is it someone from the clippers or lakers, teams that kwahi's group tried to extort with the same scheme?  some jilted agent?  someone who hates ballmer?

more info today on "missed payments" to kwahi resulting in more ballmer payments to the broke company that he was supposedly swindled by.  

i dont particularly care for kwahi given all his shenanigans around skipping a season in san antonio, so this is all very shadenfruede inducing for me.

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26 minutes ago, buddha said:

i wonder who is giving this kwahi-clippers information to pablo torre?  who has an axe to grind?  is it someone from the clippers or lakers, teams that kwahi's group tried to extort with the same scheme?  some jilted agent?  someone who hates ballmer?

more info today on "missed payments" to kwahi resulting in more ballmer payments to the broke company that he was supposedly swindled by.  

i dont particularly care for kwahi given all his shenanigans around skipping a season in san antonio, so this is all very shadenfruede inducing for me.

Have not looked at the new stuff yet.  But it seemed a lot of the original stuff came from former employees at Aspiration.  

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