The F1 Thread

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Oscar better man up and stop being a bitch, or they are going to steal his title.  

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Good thing they gave Fred that extension.  And I know, don't fire/hire someone right before the new regulations kick in.  But if they miss on next year's car, it's time to move on.  Barely outperforming Williams since summer break is a joke.

I don't care that Horner would want an ownership piece.  I would 100% give it to him if he is still available next year.  I know they won't, but they should.

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Amazing how different the cars look now.

 

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Why does it feel like this is 3rd or 4th time this deal has been announced.  Of course Apple got the deal.  They were the only ones to bid.  

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Love this

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I know most here follow F1, so this is off topic, but racing.

Kyle Larson became a 2 time NASCAR champ today. I think that is really cool. He came from the dirt, like many others in the past who were great racers - see Foyt, Andretti, Unser, the list goes on. Those dirt guys can race.

I know nothing about F1, but the Indy are people are really missing the boat, there are some really good dirt guys, and that type of racing on asphalt as well, who are really really good. It's all about money and connections. I think it was Johnny Ruthoford of Indy fame who said one year "there are more car salesmen here than race car drivers." That was a long time ago and it hasn't changed much.

That said, Larson is a generational talent. I think he will get another crack at Indy this year. I think the last dirt guy to win Indy was Al Unser Jr. in 1994.

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The path and cost for a kid to get into F1.  Now, this is from Google so who knows if the prices are accurate.  I know its expensive.

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Total cost to reach F1

 

• Karting: $50,000 - $100,000+ per year to be competitive.
• Formula 4: $200,000 - $300,000+ per year.
• Formula 3: $800,000 - $1.2 million+ per year.
• Formula 2: $2 - $3 million+ per year.
• Overall: The total cost to go from karting to F1 is estimated to be several million dollars. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

The path and cost for a kid to get into F1.  Now, this is from Google so who knows if the prices are accurate.  I know its expensive.

 

If your name Lawrence Stroll the number is probably closer to $1B.

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2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

If your name Lawrence Stroll the number is probably closer to $1B.

Well worth the inflated price since then he doesn't need to worry about results.  

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11 hours ago, Deleterious said:

The path and cost for a kid to get into F1.  Now, this is from Google so who knows if the prices are accurate.  I know its expensive.

 

That's probably not enough money. I follow dirt track sprint car racing. There are two main touring circuits of cars. The cars are pretty much the same. Some costs I am aware of;

Engines (some teams with maybe two, and others with half a dozen or more ) = $74,000 each

Complete rolling car with engine = $100,000+ and they all have at least one backup.

Haulers are commonly sold for several hundred dollars given they are full blown semi-trucks now.  Two years ago one team disclosed they spent $1.3 million in travel expenses for the year. These costs don't include a shop to work out of. 

Even in this crude form of racing top teams need millions of dollars to run one of the circuits between the car, travel, and shop costs. This year, with 4 races left, the top winner made a little over $800,000 (World of Outlaw circuit, one of the two big ones).  Not near enough to cover all the costs.

Indy car, NASCAR, and F1 budgets would put these guys to shame when it comes to cost.  Like the old saying goes "want to make a pile of money racing? Start out with a bigger pile." So true.

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2 hours ago, Screwball said:

That's probably not enough money. I follow dirt track sprint car racing. There are two main touring circuits of cars. The cars are pretty much the same. Some costs I am aware of;

Engines (some teams with maybe two, and others with half a dozen or more ) = $74,000 each

Complete rolling car with engine = $100,000+ and they all have at least one backup.

Haulers are commonly sold for several hundred dollars given they are full blown semi-trucks now.  Two years ago one team disclosed they spent $1.3 million in travel expenses for the year. These costs don't include a shop to work out of. 

Even in this crude form of racing top teams need millions of dollars to run one of the circuits between the car, travel, and shop costs. This year, with 4 races left, the top winner made a little over $800,000 (World of Outlaw circuit, one of the two big ones).  Not near enough to cover all the costs.

Indy car, NASCAR, and F1 budgets would put these guys to shame when it comes to cost.  Like the old saying goes "want to make a pile of money racing? Start out with a bigger pile." So true.

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if my numbers were low.  No clue how to fix it, but they should try to come up with something.  Getting your talent from one segment of society means you are not getting the best talent.  Plus, the more young people you can get involved, the more you are building your sport.  

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27 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if my numbers were low.  No clue how to fix it, but they should try to come up with something.  Getting your talent from one segment of society means you are not getting the best talent.  Plus, the more young people you can get involved, the more you are building your sport.  

The sprint car guys do a good job of that. They allow the fans in the pits after the races and encourage the traveling teams to interact with them. They do a really good job with this and their fan base is growing. Partially, maybe, because NASCAR seems to becoming less popular. Each circuit now has streaming. Flo Sports covers the one series and the other has their own streaming. Some local tracks have also went to streaming. This has helped the sport too.

But the costs are nuts. 74 grand for an engine when most shows pay less that 10k is nuts, but that's what they do. They are good for maybe a dozen shows then need to be freshened up at a cost of over 10 grand, but I don't know the exact costs. There are some crown jewel events during the year that pay around 200k to win, but only a half dozen. The top guy made 800k but many others are nowhere near that. They lose their ass, but most racing teams do.

Kind of a funny story about where the drivers come from. Years ago I was in southern Ohio at a dirt race. I was working on a car. Bobby Rahal was there since he lived in nearby Columbus. He was wandering around so I saw him in the pits, but once the show started he went to the press box. They interviewed him and asked what he thought of these cars. Yea, their pretty neat, all the power (over 900 hp and a 1425 lb car with driver) with so little weight they put on quite a show. How would you like to strap into one of them? No way says Bobby.