NorthWoods Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: I'd prefer a grading system which broke out coach decisions from player decisions. I get its all put together as a matter of team performance, but being sent into sure outs is a fundamentally different problem for a team to solve than than having runners who don't run the bases well, so as a diagnostic metric I would prefer that cases be spilt. But coaching decisions are a big part of how well a team runs the bases, no way to separate them. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: So, it would be like an official scorer making decisions on fielding errors. It's a good idea, but I can also see the same kind of judgement call problems you get with errors. Teams make a lot of errors in part because they are able to get close enough to making plays because of good range. So, is it a good thing or a bad thing? With baserunning, the Tigers have a generally aggressive philosophy where they get more wins on the bases than other teams, but also more losses. So, is it a good thing or bad thing that they get thrown out more than other teams? I know there are times where obvious "mistakes" are made by coaches, but sometimes a coach can take a big risk and the player ends up being safe. How does the scorer decide? I can see where they might give coaches all the blame and players all the credit. I suppose you could have a statcast type thing where cameras inform how much of a risk/reward there is on every play and reward the coach/player according. But that is hard too because sometimes players make decisions on their own. What makes the biggest difference is total runs scored. Cora getting some runners thrown out at home isn't as big of a deal as a coach on KC getting runners thrown out. KC has run scoring problems (right now) so any runner thrown out at the plate is magnified. If a team scores a lot of runs, having more thrown out at home may even be the whole reason for both more runs scored and runners thrown out. The aggressive sends may lead to more runs, which leads to more wins. Just looking at that one stat can be very misleading. Its why some people dont like the use of stats, especially cherry picked ones. The runners thrown out on the basepaths could be a reason for run scoring issues or it could be teams having more base runners have a greater chance of having runners thrown out. Losing a 1-0 game with 3 hits and 2 walks wouldn't allow a team to have as many chances as a team that gets 15 hits and scored 7 runs. Score 10 runs while having 5 runners thrown out at home is a meaningless stat. As long as you win. Which is an incrediblely important stat. 😆 Quote
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Tiger337 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, chasfh said: I prefer stats to anecdotes. Anecdotes are like noses. Quote
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