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Opps, I posted this in the Spring Training thread... 😔

I do like the risk. As mentioned 'Maybe we can help him get better'.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/tigers-to-sign-keston-hiura.html

Cannot hurt. A lot of K's but power and ability to play some 1B and 2B. So more depth. Maybe 'We can help make him better'. That adage fits here. Still just 27 yrs old.

21 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Little known fact: cold whether doesn't cause illness. Or at least the cold itself. Being indoors around others, which cold weather causes people to do is the culprit.

This is true. However, when it is cold the body will relinquish 'energy' to stay warm. Then bodily reserves are taxed. Then, if the body is in that state, when around others, a bacteria and/or virus which another may have, could be spread more easily (ex hand shakes, hugs, any contact or with shared item usage, etc.) - then when one touches their own face, eyes, nose, etc. it may be transferred.

27 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

You could try clicking on the security tab, then 'Edit', pick your user from the list and then in the bottom dialog give yourself 'full control' and click apply, then see if you can delete it.

Thank you for answering. I tried clicking on the 'security' tab. Then hit 'edit' below the first box (image 1). Then next box (image 2) it would NOT allow me to choose anything. Then I 'x' out and choose 'advanced' below the second box and this appeared  (image 3)... Not sure here...

Hello, This app/icon recently showed up on my desk top, it was after visiting a couple sites to talk about the Tigers and logging into Playstation. Just before Superbowl wk end. I do not do any betting nor even sought to.

I have tried to get rid of it by deleting it R click (see what happens below in image nos 1-3) even hit L click (no 4).

I tried to go into my Settings and then 'Add or Remove Programs' - but the file is not there or obvious to me.

In laymen's terms what might be the next step to try to remove it? Any help greatly appreciated...

On 1/19/2024 at 8:27 AM, casimir said:

He did have a pretty good season in Toledo.  I suppose it could be argued that he suffered a bit of bad BABIP luck in Detroit.

Maybe I'm being too harsh.  I thought he was nearing 30 years old already, but he won't be 27 until Memorial Day.  Maybe there's still something there.  Looking over some of his batted ball stuff, he is below MLB average on pulling the ball and really beat the ball into the dirt last season.  I don't know.

Yea, I felt that he may be able to be a decent part time player. He had a high pedigree (a no. 1 draft spot), held prospect status for awhile in CO., and he has shown he can hit at AAA. Perhaps there is still something there and he is a bit of a late bloomer - or he could simply be another AAAA type.

Seemed the second time around last year with the team he had made some progress (yes some bad BABIP). H is also pretty selective at the plate and versatile. Just maybe...

Interesting on SImanaga, perhaps several teams were scared off with all the 'speculative' amounts that were being thrown around to get him - after the apx YYamamoto deal of 12 years and $325 mil to the LAD.

Hindsight is 20/20 but Imanaga at 4 years and $53 mil (or 5 at 80) seems decent enough. I am ok with the JFlaherty deal and we have a little bit depth (though I would still sign another Depth/reclamation type SP).

My point is maybe we felt there was not a chance to get Imanaga (to sign with Detroit) and/or the speculative price was going to be too high (yet came in decent) so the Tigers acted on plan B/C. I do not blame them at all, and see the end result as decent enough.

We will see who is left standing for the FA musical chairs (pitchers and position players) and maybe an 'opportunistic' chance will show itself as we go deeper into the off season as ST gets closer and closer.

8 minutes ago, casimir said:

That's exactly what I see with Chapman.  San Francisco signs him to essentially what he is looking for.  I think I saw 6/$150K as a projection somewheres on the interwebs.

That would not be a wise move IMHO for SF... but... they may do something like this AND more.

1 hour ago, Toddwert said:

what about trading one of  either SGL or Reese Oleson for someone like Jordan Westburg or another Orioles infield prospects?

I too like the idea. However, Baltimore simply does not seem to want to move any prospects per say. They barely traded last deadline (the did acquire JFlaherty but not for top type prospects.) The O's were a team that could of went deeper into the post season had they had more SP perhaps.

If they want to acquire some P sooner or later they will have to move prospects. The thing is they have 'several' INFs and there is no way they are all going to play on the team - so why not us?

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

People are accustomed to crediting the Rangers World Series win to simply signing free agents, but in reality, they don't get there without their young core coming up and performing.

The Tigers are kind of in the same boat... maybe there's a trade to be had that could change the dynamics at third base, but otherwise it's hard to see anything that really moves the needle sitting on the free agent market right now.

Agree with the Rangers, but the FAs are just as important as the 'young core' in this case, IMHO.

Yea, seems very little for FA position players right now. Maybe a vet invite to ST that could 'possibly' make the team who could also have a veteran influence ex TKemp, Moose, etc. because putting all of that on MCanha is not fair either and if he hits the IL at some point...

Could get another vet SP (close to retirement: Kluber, Mad Baum, etc.). We would be fooling ourselves like the last two years in thinking we have enough depth right now. Even another 'invite' type/reclamation project (ex JRYU, FMontas, Carrasco, etc.).

They could also go after SImanaga IF they feel he would be worth it. In other words a gamble to sign him and then our P is then pretty much lined up for a while (including SGL, Madden, Jobe, etc.) and from there focus on position players (starting next year as we see how development unfolds this year). However, I feel Imanaga's price tag has perhaps gotten well over what they had initially thought it might be.

24 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

If they sign Yamamoto, great.... I haven't said that they shouldn't.

But going back to my original point:

Many fans seem to approach their payroll with the view that this team having a payroll lower than 2023 would be a failure.... personally, I don't care whether the payroll is or isn't lower. If they managed to land Yamamoto or Imanaga or someone else at the higher end of the market on a longer term pricier deal, great, fine by me. If they can't accomplish that but go the more Lorenzen-esque route, that's fine too.

Either way, I just want them to make moves that make sense within the context of what they are trying to accomplish in 2024 and beyond. The dollar signs are irrelevant to me.

16 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

We are in agreement.  

Double agreement 😉 👍

Looks like Andrew Chafin is back!

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

One thing that seems pretty well cleared up is that, contra commentary from some, it confirms the obvious: Harris and Hinch enjoy the partnership and there isn't a ton of daylight between the two of them.

Agree as well 

53 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'm coming around to the idea that the Tigers may be done picking up players for their major league roster next year...

I do see that point. However, they may be more in to win (division)/compete mode this off season than they were last year at the same time.

Another thing to think about is that we can rattle off all the potential SP names we want on the current team (including the minors), we have done so previously - however, the fact is Joey Wentz was second on the team in IP last year with 105. Say it cannot happen again? it already did, Drew Hutchison was second on the team in IP in '22 with the same mount - 105.

Will it happen again?

I do think they will 'look' into another SP or two seriously. Say, if someone really does fit the team and/or a reclamation project. Injuries are going to happen with all teams, especially SP, it is a fact. That in mind, the Tigers should be well aware by now and prepare accordingly.

For the rest of the roster? There could be a trade - possibly. However, I see your point much more accordingly here and they may just wait and see what they have as the youngsters continue to develop. Your 'crystal ball' is usually pretty good 🙂

10 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Yamamoto won't get 30 mil per year. Quite possibly 20/year but it will be 200 million + posting fees so 250 million all in. Maybe too rich but he is 25 and Jobe is coming and Skubal is here. Why not ? Our payroll is what $80 million or so after Maeda. If Jung , Meadows and Keith stick thats six starters ( Greene- Carpenter- Tork) making low dollars for years. Now is exactly the time to add one large contract and a 25 year old free agent stud pitcher comes along once every blue moon. It is exactly the definition of "calculated risk" Harris has talked about. 

 

I think we are in the hunt for Yamamoto is a MAJOR way..... my opinion.

All IMHO, I think the Tigers have a plan A, B and C.

They may very well look at Yamamoto and put together a combination of what they feel comfortable doing and what he feels he desires ex higher AAV or longer term, opt outs, etc. and of course understanding there will be risk. I think they will make some effort here.

With said there are going to be a dozen other teams doing the same thing. So the odds are stacked against. It simply may come down to what the player wishes to do - not as much so as to what any team desires, in this particular case.

I think they will also look at another SP regardless (and maybe one reclamation, lesser known type). Perhaps a LH SP and here is where Shota Imanaga may be a real interest as well (or Hyun Jin Ryu, Alex Wood, Sean Manaea, JPaxton, etc.). There are quality arms out there this year and hopefully the Tigs can land one more that could potentially give 150IP.

As far as getting 2 fifteen million dollar bats instead - hopefully two fellows by the names of Greene & Tork are getting there and right now we have them for less. This year as we all know here is not a good off season to add a FA core bat.

48 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Go for the Japanese Trifecta:

Maeda - back of the rotation and attracts Yamamoto (along with the promise to target Imanaga as well...)

Yamamoto - Tops the rotation along with Skubal

Imanaga - Lefty, could be a jack-of-all-trades as a spot starter, lefty middle reliever, etc. in 2024. Could take over Maeda's spot after a year or two in the league to get acclimated. Or push Maeda (as a RH'er) into this spot if he acclimates quickly.

Just a thought...

It is a interesting thought. It would have to be a 'Huge' fiscal commitment (and a huge calculated risk) by the Tigers and they would have to think this group would be a part of a core for a while - and then you have to have some luck ex injuries, good performances, etc.

However, this type of scenario also means that Detroit would have to outbid many teams for 3 Starting Pitchers (all SP contracts). This may not be realistic at all, yet again, if they feel this group could help them now and later (for several years), and that they are developing positional players - then perhaps it is a viable 'idea.'

5 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

I have seen articles about how he is spending the off-season strengthening his core and so on,  and I ask myself how that is going to prevent him from looking like a 14-year-old on the low and away slider.

You are correct this additional work he is/will put in will not help him with the low and away slider. That will have to come from pitch recognition, and it is already well into his career for that - yet, it did seem at times last year (and more than the year before) he was getting a bit more selective.

I do think where it 'may' make a difference is when he simply got beat with FBs or fouled them off the last couple years. A few years ago he may have been more fit and stronger through his body, hence timing and connecting better with pitches. I at least 'hope' that is some of it.

Yes, father time is a factor, but Javy really is a gifted athlete and previously he may not have needed to work on things as much. He does seem motivated and of course has pride, so again we hope he can get back for 2-3 seasons close to where he was. If he can, that could really help the team regardless if he plays SS or 2B.

From a lighter standpoint, someone has to take on the new role of 'best shape of his life heading to spring' now that Miggy has retired, lol. 😃

Yes, I (and as said I am sure many) appreciate the efforts and insights Edman85 🙂 🙏

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

Increased Pitch Velocity Is Associated With Throwing Arm Kinetics, Injury Risk, and Ulnar Collateral Ligament Reconstruction in Adolescent, Collegiate, and Professional Baseball Pitchers: A Qualitative Systematic Review:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36649827/

Nice find. Explains a bit for sure - and with said that today's players are bigger, stronger and faster (better trained in some respects) - this is also part of that equation perhaps.

10 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

The funny thing is that players get recognized for what they do in the regular season while teams get recognized for what they do in post-season.  It is a strange disconnect.  

Good observation !

12 hours ago, casimir said:

I think it was time for a new hat.

They sell hats that look just like this one at 'Lids' - not sure that is the case here, but they are out there 😉

7 hours ago, lordstanley said:

AL East knocked out with a combined record of 0-7 in this post-season.

This is very interesting, thinking how 'strong' this division was compared to the others. That is why you play the games instead of simply handing out awards at season end - as Oblong mentioned here earlier.

This is also why 'sustainability' to keep a strong team matters. I know many do not like hearing that term/approach - but that is key in giving any good team a chance on a continual basis as it really does seem like a sound approach.

20 hours ago, chasfh said:

Talking out of my ear here, I wonder whether the Tigers could be on the front lines of exploiting some sort of market inefficiency by developing pitchers specifically to go two to three innings, as a bridge between the starter and the back of the bullpen? You know, starter for five, long guy for three, then short guy for one, using three pitchers, as opposed to a string of one-inning guys after the fifth inning and using five pitchers for a typical game? I wonder whether a team getting one or even two of these long guys on their staff would relieve the pressure of having to use a bunch of one-inning guys in back-to-back games too often?

I would think one thing that would have to happen is the development of a training regimen distinct from that of starters and short guys, such that these long guys could be planned on for maybe 40-50 games a year and 100 or even more innings from the pen. Faedo might be a guy they could go in that direction with.

That is good forward thinking. I have heard Hinch allude to something like this towards season's end.

I do think they will sign 1 SP type if ERod opts in and 2 if not... The brass has to be well aware that you need multiple SPs (well beyond 6-7) to get through a season. Then a lot of luck needs to take place as well.

Simply, there are going to be P injuries (all positions actually of course) starting from ST and throughout the season for EVERY team. We should all perhaps know this by now.

FWIW, I was 'OK' with Shep.

Of course with things like this and sooo many others, there is no pleasing everyone.

Agree with Oblong, that a Mario re-hire may be more complicated.

Hopefully we will find the next 'personality' that will fit the role and do well for most of the Tiger fan base ⚾ 🎙️

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

The early returns on the length of playoff baseball: three games went between 2:40 and 2:46. Only the D’Backs Brewers game went long at 3:36.

That is a good thing (IMHO)!

Perhaps some of the rule changes had an effect as well:

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/baseball/2023/mlb-attendance-fans-pitch-clock-1234740900/