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Yes you could have. That's why I asked why what appeared to be a random 160.

Just curious why is 160 the cut off? Why not 150? 150 Mize did last, Skubal was 149.1 and Spencer was two innings below it in 2019. Eduardo has done it a couple times now.

You can never have too many iowa guys. And I agree with you on the WR. Too many positions that need fixing to add two in the top 100. Sure something like 2 and 232 is fine. But, you have Brown, a guy you take high and then one of like a million FA wr is fine for this year.

10-34 12-54 hut hut hike What are we just throwing out? Random numbers? or are those the wins and loses of some unspecified team without any context, any talk of playoff wins or any issues with their ownership? gonna need more info here. And will you please point out where I said Kahn was "good?"

Again, not once have I said he was a good owner. Not once. Unlike you who said Goff was good cause he's been to a superbowl and that was it. If you read the thread, you will see I asked about what constitutes best openings. I refuted that the Jags was one of the worst with Lawrence and cap space. I was told, in response, they were because of owner was terrible. I pointed out that Kahn has had more success than some of the other owners, and that off the field issues had hit others but were ignored. You guys took that as me saying Kahn is the greatest owner in the history of sports.

Link to where I said good?

"i was told jacksonville was fine because they won a playoff game 7 years ago." 2017 was four years ago. So, yes, math appears to be hard for you. So they had a bunch of losing season. Who cares? whether you win 7 or 2 they are not good years. But, no lets say a bunch of 8-8 jobs that are cap strapped with no young QBs and owners who are guilty of federal crimes and scandal that has fewer really good seasons is better. And I never once said his ownership has been "good" but its certainty not a disaster, at least compared to the other openings which was the discussion, as you and others make it out to be.

Got it. Regular seasons wins are all that counts and teams with less success are better jobs.

Math is hard 2017. That's four years. Teams that haven't won a playoff game in the last four years. Miami, LV, Giants, Bears, Dolphins, Broncos. Hey look at that every team that had an opening this year.

No better outcome for the Lions. Last pick (assuming) Stafford gets a ring We are extra terrible.

You mean the Jags owner flush with cash who has a championhsip game under his belt, same as the Vikings or Davis or a lot of other teams you listed? Or cause he mettles cause we all know Ross just sits on the sideliines quietly. And Wilf has been the bastion of good decisions you know with paying $32 million to settle a racketeering scheme. So many poeple can't look beyond 18 months its amazing. MCS fell vicitm to it, just like espn constantly does. Lot more to the pie.

What's the criteria for best? Most ready to win now. Most deserable. Are you looking at this like a fan or a coach/GM. Cause the Jags job is a heck of a lot more attractive than the vikins. Minnesota is over hte cap and kind of stuck they need to bottom out. jags have the no. 1 overall pick and a top of cap space. Similar concept for Saints and Raiders. If you're look at which is most deseriable you list is a bit inverted. Coaches like teams they can mold in thier image right away not someone else's scraps

You also thought they'd win 8 last year and Stafford and Goff are a wash. So....

There were some more as well those were just the two that made me go wait...

Wait do you think the packers were playing full speed/caring in the first half?

Possible. I just think some people forget that we are picking second. That means we were pretty bad. I mean we only beat the packers by 7 the last week. When they sat anybody worth a damn and played jordan love.

I think its probably more just alate in the cycle hire. Any decent candidate has been snatched up by this time. So its go with someone you don't know at all or at least the one you know. We'll call it the why people eat at olive garden effect.

They took trask in the second round last year. He costs like a penny, Goff does not.

We won 3 games. We're still way devoid of talent.

Some here are just bad. Brock purdy? A) he sucks. B) they drafted Kellen Mond higher last year than purdy will go this year. Yeah I'm sure the Niners will be splitting between the guy they took 3rd last year and a failed broncos guy.

Congrats you've built the NFL-version of Iowa. Sure, they can win a lot of games. But, there is a reason why they fall on their face in big games against good opponents. Look, yes, we need solid guys. But, they mean little without game changers. The team right now needs impact players waaaaaaaay more than it needs good depth. That's what got quinn in trouble. Heingkept worry about having enough solid starters or the backups being just as good. Screw that. Find game changers. They are needed and make the players around them better. The extra pick next year is just kicking the can down the road. You still gotta find those highend players. If we get zero this year cause we moved back and ended up with two solid guys, then next year we have picks 3, 18, 29. We end up with one high impact guy. If we take the high-impact guy this year at 2, in theory, we are likley still not going to be great. Cause few rookies have that kind of impact. So I still have pick 3 and pick 29 next year. Now, I got, again in theory, two high impact guys. It's all about finding high impact guys and working from there. focus on that and it makes everything else a lot easier. If you just end up with a bunch of solids you are still searching for the imapct guys. You really haven't addressed the root of why you're not winning when it counts.

No. But, its like arguing well you can get Trout at 20. You could also get Ryan Perry. All studies have shown you have a higher chance to get a super-impact player higher in the draft. Yes, they can be found later. More likely to find one earlier though. The risk of moving from 2 to 15 and hoping to get an impact player is too great. More than anytinng, the Lions need impact players that make other coordinators go let's scheme for that guy. They currently have zero. While they need solid, he had a 10 year career and made a pro bowl guys, nobody has ever won with no impact players. So it becomes a matter of Hutchinson/Tib vs Lindebaum and Penn State DE (or whatever). Second set is soild guys, but not guys that make all pro teams. If you are talking the giants picks, you have a better argument. But, the drop from 2 to 15 is too great to find what we need the most.

Yes and if i wanted to discuss that I would have. I wanted to talk about the part that read "The Giants went from 11 to 20 last year and this year ended up getting the 7th overall pick." Hence, "11 is a lot different than two"

11 is a lot different than 2

This group players too far together. It's never that close.