TP_Fan

Most around here have said the Walker to jags rumors were just clickbait. Now Vegas has him with the best odds and more legit sources are coming Out and saying he might be the guy. I would be thrilled if the Lions were able to get Hutch.

I wonder if the trading back might make more sense with the 32nd pick. Say a team wants a QB at 32 for the 5th yr contract. If someone offered the lions their 2nd this year and 2nd next year, would it make sense? Peter Kings article this morning mentioned that scenario. In this example the falcons traded up to 32 and the lions received picked 43 and a 2nd in 2023. I’d be ok with that, depending on the board. King also expects the Jags to take Walker number 1. Walker is now the betting favorite in a number of places to go first overall.

IMO, thibs is the mostly likely bust of the edge rushers. I really hope the lions steer clear.

Hockenson is average?

Meh, the Walker stuff doesn’t seem like it’s for the clicks. More it’s about Trent belke being the GM. I could see him taking Walker at 1.

Seeing more and more talk about Walker at 1.

Especially given the projections. Many teams have punted contracts into the future to open space. Last year the cap was $182M, this year $208M and 2023 is projected up to $225M. Those dead cap figures aren’t that significant considering not all positions are being paid premiums. And you often have 5-6 contracts you can cut and make space each year. what will be interesting is how teams react to guaranteed money deals after the Watson deal. As an aside, how shameful was it for the first ginormous guaranteed, contract goes to someone coming off a year where he didn’t play because he was obviously treating massage therapists in a horrible, gross manner. The cognitive dissonance in rooting for this league/sports is real.

With what happened today Holmes should be able to move down and pick up a 2nd this year and a 1st next year, at a minimum.

Agreed, it seems unlikely someone would offer a package worth moving down for.

Most years I’d agree with you. This is the exception. The one year it makes really good sense to move down.

I’m all about the first pick being Garrett Wilson around 9-12. Extra 2nd rd pick (and maybe a 4th) and a first for next year. Drafting at number 2 would seem like a let down now.

This is the absolute best strategy. If you can move down, stay in the top 12 or so. And then pick up a 2nd rd pick this year and an additional 1st next year then you do it.

Jimmy G can’t sign anywhere. The 9ers didn’t release him. As of now it’s still Jimmy G and Lance in San Fran.

Lions get Hard Knocks.

Hutch, Hamilton and hard pass on the other two.

Consider me non real. My limit is 3, then I can do a lot of them. Trading down is too easy though. Would Seattle even take that trade? They would have to live Willis.

So it seems pretty obvious to me that trading down is the optimal route. WRs are gonna go quick. Why not go get the best one in either London or Wilson? If you can trade down to 9 with Seattle you could likely get some good return since they have a bunch of Denver picks. That’s to say that Seattle likes Willis.

I’ve stated a number of times, if Holmes doesn’t think Willis is the guy, then he should explore every opportunity to trade down. There is not one player I would want to take at number 2 outside of Hutch, and he will be gone it looks like. If you can get yourself some more draft capital, I’d do it.

For more context:

Liberty didn’t use progressions. It was a one read offense. Lions coaching staff even talked about it at the senior bowl and discussed that they were impressed when they asked him to go through reads, his first time. And liberty had a terrible team outside of Willis. I have to imagine that will have been the only time in my life I will watch 8 liberty games in a season, or ever again.

This is a great point (read the 2nd part of Jeremy’s thought too). Holmes will likely only get one chance to draft a franchise QB. If he has to draft a second it probably went off the rails. Is Willis the guy. His leadership traits is something the lions talked about during the senior bowl. He fits what the lions are looking for. It also sets up the QB to play in year 3 of the rebuild. And you won’t have to spend a bunch of draft capital to move up next season. If he is your guy, go get him.

Draft Willis and sit him unless gets hurt. Once playoffs door is shut then give Willis an opportunity. Still need two more drafts. None of it will ever matter if they don’t have a QB. If the lions pass on Willis, or trade down with someone who wants to draft him, I’m ok with that too. I trust Holmes at this point. He will draft the players he thinks is best to make this a winning franchise and he has an established record of being good at identifying who is going to excel at the next level.

This is why you always wait for the breakdown.

It’d be nice if they draft a CB as well. More competition the better. okudah, melifanwu, Jacobs, oruwariye, Hughes. Top 100 draft pick would make sense. Jacobs won’t be ready for camp I assume.