Betrayer

I've heard some people saying they'd take Sarr and then try to move Duren since Duren is not a great defender for a guy who plays a fairly traditional center role (not a stretch big). I don't know enough about Sarr to comment on that idea either way. My guess is Weaver would draft Sarr and try to play them together like the Cavs do with Mobley and Allen. They clearly don't care about spacing for Cade and Ivey at all since they're starting a Thompson/Stew/Duren lineup anyway when everyone knows Fontecchio should be in there.

Best part of the Orlando game was listening to Greg and George talk with astonishment about how the Magic look for a mismatch on offense and go right to it. I guess watching the Pistons all season will put you in awe of basic basketball. 2 games ago the reporters asked Monty about staggering Cade and Ivey, to which he responded that it's hard because then you have "2 small guards on the bench unit" (he forgot about Grimes, I guess) and that maybe he could do it with Stew instead. The very next game, he actually tried it in the first half and staggered both Ivey and Stew! Let's see if he tries it again. It would be amazing if all we actually needed was someone to ask the question directly so Monty could go to YouTube and learn how NBA teams stagger lineups and then give it a try. At this point I wouldn't put anything past the guy who started Killian for half the season. By the way, our bench is 30th in net rating and is played 10th most in the NBA. Just another one from the category of, "Duh", to add to Monty's phenomenal resume.

Who needs Sasser when you have Flynn running point in the second unit alongside Wiseman and Fournier? (that was sarcasm) Nice game from Stew and Ausar. I especially liked the part in the second half where Monty actually staggered the lineup and played Stew at backup Center a bunch. He even staggered Ivey a bit! Not coincidentally the team played better in the second half with less minutes from the 5-man bench unit. So, 59 games to figure out how to stagger a lineup? Or was that second half an anomaly? I guess we'll find out tomorrow against Orlando.

6th pick here we come!

Yep. That's why I don't buy the "core" argument, especially from a coach that had to be told to play Ivey instead of Killian. As you said, their future roles involve them starting and finishing together, but also being staggered. Plus, Monty has done this full line change stuff since the start of the season, so it just seems to be his thing.

Actually, quite the opposite. Most successful teams stagger the substitutions so one of their top 3 players are in the game at all times. I have no idea what drives this mindset from Monty (or from Casey, who used to do it as well). I can only imagine it's because it's easier to manage. I guess you can't pay a guy 78M and expect him to be able to figure out something that every coach from high school on is smart enough to handle.

Good to see a win despite Monty's attempts to bungle it. Starters were +24 and the bench was -14. This coach can't figure out how to stagger his two best creators so we have to watch the Malachi Flynn creation show with 4 other bench guys. It's just a mind boggling level of ineptitude from this coaching staff. And now Muscala's has been waived, making that trade even worse, but also clearing the way for Wiseman to play heavy minutes for the remainder of the year.

I get the general negativity around this team, but are we seriously sitting here trying to say that diving into a guy's legs is ok in the NBA? C'mon, even the NBA has apologized and the referee said it was a missed call. This should have been a Piston's win over a good team. They were robbed and the story is all over ESPN as well with quotes from Windhorst saying, "the NBA and the referees screwed up." But getting past that, we've definitely seen more competitive games from this team recently and that's been fun to watch. The starting 5 has been +2 on the court. They've also got some decent role players now in Fontecchio and Grimes, so it's going to be interesting to see what this core looks like over the remainder of the season and if they can start to gel despite what Monty has done (and continues to do) to set them back all season.

Monty has to go. I'm so glad there are national media people like Sam talking about it. This is a masterclass in coaching terrorism. I was just shaking my head watching this game the whole time.

This is the one I keep talking about. Give the defender an equal right to his space on the court if he was there first. No more running into a defender and getting a call and no more swinging your arm through a defender to get a call. That, and they really need to stop the moving screens. Those two changes alone would drastically alter the ability to defend and bring some balance back to the game.

SGA really stands out in the cut vs drive graphic. Really wish the Pistons could've landed Atkinson. I'd love to see more off-ball movement, cutting, and screening like GS does. Nobody wants to chase Ivey or Ausar around the court and few can vertical space like Duren and Ausar. All of the core 4 are good passers as well. Add Fontecchio to that mix who can movement shoot. They'd feast. The whole idea behind drafting 4 dudes who supposedly have high IQ and can make passing plays is not to run one dude into triple teams all day while the other guys sit in the corner.

Ku Kahil dropped a show today talking about the misuse of Ausar in this offense. Basically discussing the (false) idea that you always need 4 shooters on the court. He mostly referenced a lot of JJ Redick's info, so I'll post one of JJ's pods below where he talks about this concept in reference to how Willie Green is using Zion and even how Ben Simmons was used when JJ played with him. On a previous pod he talked about this concept using some of the actions that Quin Snyder runs in Atlanta. And, of course, you've all heard me talk about how the Warriors use Draymond and Looney together with the other three guys running off-ball screens to free up shooters and otherwise bend the defense. Nobody is saying that this core has the talent level of some of those other teams, but every time you see Ausar standing in the corner and the Pistons playing 4 on 5 offense, that's on Monty. The only thing worse than his lineups are his offensive sets and lack of creativity.

Pistons will probably hire Vaughn to sit on the bench next to Silas. This organization likes to collect other people's junk.

Here's my rough framework to fix All-Star weekend: 1. Move the In-Season tournament to mid January. It shouldn't have been so early in the season anyway. 2. Move All-Star weekend to late January, right at the actual mid-season mark. 3. Add a 3-on-3 tournament (or something similar) for the All-Stars on Saturday afternoon with ascending prize money. 4. Retain the Saturday evening events with greater (monetary) encouragement for stars to participate. 5. Cap off the weekend with the In-Season Tourney Championship Game instead of the All-Star game on Sunday. Basically moving a more competitive game to the marque spot and creating a bunch of fun All-Star stuff around it to build up hype and make the whole thing a big production. It'll add more gravity and attention to the in-season tournament, which will now be a mid-season tournament. I also think you'll get more competition out of a 3-on-3 tournament with the All-Stars because there's isn't a 15 man team with substitutions and so many other guys on the court. There's more pride when it's just you and 2 others trying to win a tournament. The ascending prize money could help as well. As a side benefit, this will also put All-Star weekend before the trade deadline again, where it belongs so GMs can meet in person to discuss deals ahead of the deadline.

Also, I just want to say that I used to enjoy All-Star weekend. Now I just sit there looking at Booker, Mitchell, and Haliburton while shaking my head in disgust as I think about Johnson, Kennard, and Hayes. Did anyone else notice that in the skills competition they had a "First Picks" team. They took the guys who were drafted first overall from 2020, 2022, and 2023. Skipped right over 2021.

Can't imagine the players like it. It has to be distracting with all that light reflecting up into your face.

Watch Monty play Ivey for 12 minutes and Fournier for 32.

The first half of this game was the worst basketball I’ve ever seen.

Monty is such a train wreck. On Wiseman: On Fournier: It doesn't matter how many people you trade or release, you can't save him (and us) from himself. I realize the team was always going to be bad with Weaver's roster, but Monty has found ways to make them worse. I thought Casey was bad, but now I realize there's a new low bar that's been set. I've never seen a team under-achieve like a Monty team.

Except I feel like players are better when they first arrive, before they learn this system. After a few weeks they stop cutting to the basket, moving off ball, and screening properly.

Exactly. Got rid of aging vets who took usage on the offensive end and couldn’t play defense. Got 3 and D wings in return. Yes, it was poor asset management because they waited too long and let the value of those players diminish, but what they did at the deadline is exactly what I would’ve wanted a new GM to do. I certainly don’t trust him and I think it could/should have been done last year, but these feel like the right moves at this time to correct the course.

Really fun game. pistons were in it all the way and even managed to close it out. Ivey with 37, including 19 in the 4th. Imagine taking 40 games to figure out he needs to play over Killian. This coach is a train wreck, but he won’t get fired because the owner overruled the GM to hire him and then spent the summer patting himself on the back for it. Edit after watching the postgame: Monty says nothing about Ivey’s career night on the postgame, but calls out multiple other players for playing well. This is a running theme with Monty’s pressers. Goes out of his way to nitpick Ivey or say nothing, even when Jaden has a good game. Tonight he scored 37 and carried the team in the 4th. There’s a serious problem with this coach and his attitude towards Ivey.

Please be killian. Monty will be so distraught he’ll follow him and they can go backpacking in Europe or something.

Looks like Morris is gone as well. To the TWolves for Milton, Brown Jr, and a 2nd. Edit: Tigeraholic1 got it with a link. Also, please don't tell me this means more Killian minutes now that Morris is gone.

Fonteccio is actually a pretty good upgrade over Knox. Jazz fans are sad to see him go. 28 years old in his second year in the league, so it's not like he's 30+ on the downside of his career. He's shooting 39% from three and hustles on defense. It was a small, but solid move. He should start at one of the forward spots - I say "should" because Monty still hasn't figured out that Stew is a bench big and since it took him 40 games to figure out that Killian shouldn't play 30+ minutes a night, I won't hold my breath.