Betrayer

That's what we should've been doing for the past 4 years. Instead we gave away draft picks in exchange for bench players. But now we're in year 4 of the rebuild and we either start acquiring picks and a new GM to reboot this rebuild, or we let this one make desperation moves. Sounds like Gores is going for the latter over the former.

Three firsts with no guarantee is pretty crazy for a Siakam rental. I didn't want Siakam anyway, but it just shows that Weaver didn't collect the assets needed to make a splash even if he wanted to.

Interesting. I really hope they get League Pass as well.

Isn't this when Morris was supposed to come back too?

I'm going to keep laughing at the fall of Golden State until the Piston's trade for Green, and then I'm going to cry.

This move has nothing to do with playing Gallinari or Muscala or them helping the team this year. It was Weaver trying to get off the Bagley contract he shouldn't have signed and get more expiring contracts so he can be a player when someone else wants to sell their overpaid "Star". Problem is he's terrible at asset management so he got fleeced again. He gave up draft picks to get Bagley and now had to give up 2 more to move off of him. And before we say that 2nd rounders don't mean anything, they actually have more value with the new cap rules because apron teams can't add players the way they used to. Also, the 2025 pick is the Piston's own, meaning it'll be a good one. On top of that, if you look at what the Wizards community is saying, both of these guys were potential buy-out candidates. They're healthy DNPs on the wrong side of the their career who are shooting terribly this year. So the Wizards got 2 first round picks for nothing and all we got was 1 less year of the Bagley contract that shouldn't have existed. The scary part of it is we all know Troy doesn't play in Free Agency. This money isn't going to be here for the next GM. He's going to use a huge chunk of it in trades before the deadline or before free agency. Get ready for moves from a bad GM trying to save his job. Here comes Blake Griffin again. This trade really means nothing other than proving Troy's poor asset management skills yet again, but the thing that makes me the most sad is that we made a trade and yet Killian and Wiseman are still on the team getting significant rotation minutes.

If it means I get to watch Beef Stew break Draymond over his knee, then I'm in. Otherwise, no thanks.

I've watched every game since 2001, even with this losing streak. But this might be the thing that pushes me over the edge.

I like the format right now if it remains at 2 rounds. If they're going to increase the number of rounds and create a draft and stash, then sure, make a second night. Nobody will watch it, but go for it.

Just brutal. Worse than that, you can see that the locker room has eroded beyond repair. Guys are just out there to try to get their own and team basketball is out the window. Duren's showing some flashes of more offensive skills, but he's also out there dribbling into pull-up 20 footers that clang off the rim. Ivey jacking up bad threes and throwing no look passes every time. Even Burks is getting in on the action, trying to take it to the rim against 4 defenders. Zero defense, zero communication, and the .5 offense is nowhere to be found. It's time to clean house. I would say "sell the team", but nobody can make Tom do that. At the very least, Weaver should be fire before he has time to try to save his job with a Lavine (Blake Griffin) Trade that damns the franchise for another 4 years. And Monty should be fired as well. He inherited a terrible roster, but he's somehow managed to make things even worse. As for the players, I don't want to see one more minute of Killian or Wiseman on the court. Just stop. Quit telling me you can't play Ausar because he can't shoot and then run Hayes (and Livers) out there for 32 minutes. Sasser and Ausar should absorb all of Killian's minutes until Cade returns. For now it's Ivey and Sasser at PG and then when Cade comes back you stagger him and Ivey at PG until Morris starts playing backup PG. Wiseman plays defense like a video game with extreme lag. You press the button and he jumps three seconds later.. I watched him fumble a rebound out of bounds in this game when there wasn't a defender within 20 feet of him. Just play Bagley until Stew gets back and then make Stew the bench Center. My lineup for when this team is "healthy" Starters: Cade, Ivey, Bogey, Knox, Duren Bench: Morris (Sasser for now), Burks, Ausar, Stew That's right, you don't need to play 10 or 11 guys on a roster this bad.

"Does anyone talk about this ever, like in film or practice?!"

I still haven't missed a game since 2001. Someone please kill me now.

Being held accountable for his actions is "too much" to handle. A bully with a persecution complex.

I wouldn't be surprised if Denver scores 184 against our defense.

And it doesn't end there. You didn't even mention Wiseman's play tonight. He just stands in the paint and guards nobody. Wiseman, Hayes, and Livers are not NBA players right now and may never be. Yet this 78M dollar coach can somehow take a bad team and make them a historically bad team. @buddha said that Hayes is a bench player on an average team - false. A guy who's the worst rotation player on the worst team in NBA history would be lucky to be on any other roster in the league. More likely he'd be playing overseas. And Monty started him for 30 games this season! He might be the only guy on the team who's shot looks more broken than Ausar and he's been in the league 4 years with reports that he "reworked his jumpshot" every offseason. Why does he get minutes? Simply stagger Cade and Ivey so one creator is in the game at all times (which should be happening anyway), and give Sasser more minutes because at least he can space the floor and has potential.

I've watched all of these games and Ausar is very good at passing and making reads. He has a very high BBall IQ. His turnovers come from trying to do too much off the dribble, which is totally different. His handle is loose, but I'm not asking him to play PG. Draymond isn't great at dribbling either and he's often playing alongside Looney who's not a shooter (like Duren) and Wiggins who's shooting 30% from three. They use him in DHOs or at the elbow while guys are screening and cutting. Obviously, we don't have Curry, but imagine Ivey zooming around off-ball screens. Bogey is also very good at shooting off of screens. If Duren's defender tries to step up on Ivey/Bogey, he's got a easy cut to the rim with a lob. Not saying they'll be GS 2.0, but it would certainly be better than what we're seeing. Of course, that would require Monty to be creative offensively and he's trash. There's no off-ball movement, cutting, he can't even figure out something as basic as Ausar in the dunker spot on a Cade/Duren pick and roll. Or that same play inverted. There are VERY basic ways to use Ausar's strengths in the offense rather than stick him in the strong side corner where his man can easily double with no penalty. This coaching is criminal. And even for this hopeless offense that Monty is running, is playing Livers a better idea? He's gives you far less in every other aspect of the game, isn't a cornerstone of the team, and his shooting is M.I.A. (25% from three).

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"I didn't even think about it" Pretty much sums up his coaching career in Detroit. btw, Livers is shooting 25% from 3 and Ausar is shooting 15%, so neither are spacing the floor. Which guy would you rather have out there when the other team is scoring at will and getting way too many offensive rebounds? Unfortunately, Monty also hasn't even thought about how to use Ausar. Why not use him like GS uses Draymond who also can't shoot, but plays defense, rebounds, and makes the right passing reads.

He was actually pretty solid and was hitting shots on offense. But Burks was absolutely on fire and so was Bogey. You aren't taking Cade out, and Utah plays with two bigs, so Ivey didn't really get any minutes in the 4th or OT so they could keep Duren and Livers out there for some size. Not that Livers played well, but it was basically him or Knox at the 4 all night.

This is why he doesn't have to do anything. They can just remove the game from national tv and move right along. As a side note, this is why I've been so against NBA expansion. The stars aren't just going to spread out for fun. You'll still have the same number of really good teams and just more bad ones. There will just be more teams like the Pistons, Wizards, and Spurs and that means less competitive games.

Exactly. Problem isn't the extension, it's the role he's been given by this coaching staff and front office.

This is it in a nutshell. I like Stew as a bench big, but he's not a starting 4 (or 5 for that matter).

I wish he had learned something. The reality is simply that Stew was out with an injury.

Finally!