Betrayer

Monty is such a train wreck.

On Wiseman:

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"...we wanted to not just hang on to him, but continue to develop him. He's not somebody we're just holding onto as a body."

On Fournier:
 

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"A lot of our continuity was off our bench...now Evan is probably going to take on some of that role."

It doesn't matter how many people you trade or release, you can't save him (and us) from himself.

I realize the team was always going to be bad with Weaver's roster, but Monty has found ways to make them worse. I thought Casey was bad, but now I realize there's a new low bar that's been set. I've never seen a team under-achieve like a Monty team.

Except I feel like players are better when they first arrive, before they learn this system. After a few weeks they stop cutting to the basket, moving off ball, and screening properly.

On 2/9/2024 at 7:25 AM, buddha said:

for all the justified weaver bashing, these types of trades are what they should have been doing last year instead of bringing in the likes of bagley, wiseman, and harris.  getting rid of ancient vets with limited use and instead getting younger (except for fontecchio) shooters to surround your young core.  spread the floor.

everything we all asked them to do.

the bagley/gallinari trade where you had to include two seconds to get off the bagley contract was another waste of resources.  waiting too long to trade bogey and burks so you dont get at least a first round pick was another waste of resources.  but finally getting shooting means....something?  right?  waiving killian so monty cant bench ivey or sasser is.....something?  baby steps to proper roster management?

Exactly. Got rid of aging vets who took usage on the offensive end and couldn’t play defense. Got 3 and D wings in return.

Yes, it was poor asset management because they waited too long and let the value of those players diminish, but what they did at the deadline is exactly what I would’ve wanted a new GM to do.

I certainly don’t trust him and I think it could/should have been done last year, but these feel like the right moves at this time to correct the course. 

Really fun game. pistons were in it all the way and even managed to close it out. 
 

Ivey with 37, including 19 in the 4th.

Imagine taking 40 games to figure out he needs to play over Killian. This coach is a train wreck, but he won’t get fired because the owner overruled the GM to hire him and then spent the summer patting himself on the back for it.  
 

Edit after watching the postgame: Monty says nothing about Ivey’s career night on the postgame, but calls out multiple other players for playing well. This is a running theme with Monty’s pressers. Goes out of his way to nitpick Ivey or say nothing, even when Jaden has a good game. Tonight he scored 37 and carried the team in the 4th. There’s a serious problem with this coach and his attitude towards Ivey. 

Please be killian. Monty will be so distraught he’ll follow him and they can go backpacking in Europe or something. 

Looks like Morris is gone as well. To the TWolves for Milton, Brown Jr, and a 2nd.

Edit: Tigeraholic1 got it with a link.

Also, please don't tell me this means more Killian minutes now that Morris is gone.

Fonteccio is actually a pretty good upgrade over Knox. Jazz fans are sad to see him go.

28 years old in his second year in the league, so it's not like he's 30+ on the downside of his career. He's shooting 39% from three and hustles on defense. It was a small, but solid move.

He should start at one of the forward spots - I say "should" because Monty still hasn't figured out that Stew is a bench big and since it took him 40 games to figure out that Killian shouldn't play 30+ minutes a night, I won't hold my breath.

Sources tell ESPN

15 hours ago, buddha said:

nobody wanted lavine so he decided to have surgery.

He thought he might get traded to the Pistons, so he decided surgery was a better idea.

Why doesn't Monty challenge that call against Ivey? Clearly an offensive foul and the game turned right there. I've never seen a team so terrible at using their challenges.

Glad to see Hayes was a healthy scratch, but it doesn't excuse the fact that it took Monty over 40 games to realize that. Same with Wiseman.

Why not go back to Gallo instead of Bogie to close? Gallo was having a way better game and his defense is no worse.

The drop coverage with Duren is so bad. Gave up multiple wide open 3s to Mitchell in critical minutes because Duren is standing 10 feet away in the paint. I'm guessing that's Monty's scheme, although Duren's defense does still need a lot of work regardless.

Ausar made a pretty big impact on the floor defensively and they showed a stat where the Pistons defensive rating goes from something like 122 to 114 when he's on the court. Yet Monty can find more than 18 minutes for him, even when Mitchell (who was 0-3 with Ausar guarding him) is steam-rolling us.

And finally, this guy was more calm today but the line, "How does anybody watch this and feel good about themselves" about sums it up:

On 1/29/2024 at 10:02 AM, gehringer_2 said:

LOL - Pistons are 3/9 with Cade on the bench (.333) vs 3/37 with him playing (.081). That's what $13M  coaching can get you.

Terrible coaching indeed.

Also during this stretch they stopped playing Livers and Wiseman while adding a backup Center who's got a pulse.  Killian's minutes have also been going down. If you stop playing guys who don't belong in the NBA it improves your chances.

The Lavine stuff makes no sense. Getting past the bad contract and questionable player, let’s say they did actually want Lavine. How do you think you’re getting Lavine and keeping Ivey on the same team? How does that even work? It makes no sense at all unless you’re going to play Ivey 15 minutes a game at backup guard or play Lavine at SF alongside him…imagine that defense. 

Nice to see a win but this game was ugly on both sides for a most of the game.

Monty has said he doesn’t coach shot selection and yea, that’s pretty obvious. Duren is starting to get Drummond vibes with his offense at times and someone needs to step in and develop him properly not just tell him to go out there and score.
 

Also his defense is just looking really, really bad. Maybe it’s the drop scheme they’re running, or the poor guard defense, but it’s got to be fixed because a non-spacing big who plays poor defense isn’t going to cut it. I love Duren’s potential, but he needs development on both ends and he appears to be regressing. 
 

Also, at one point in the fourth during crucial minutes he had Hayes, Ausar, and Duren on the court at the same time. Seriously Monty, I can coach my nba 2k team better than that and anyone can see that killian isn’t an nba player  

Really wish I could watch this game without waiting 3 days for the blackout, but I live 3 hours from Charlotte so somehow that makes sense to League Pass even though most cable/streaming services don't carry Bally SE in Raleigh.

Maybe I'll see if I can do a 7 day free trial to Bally Sports streaming and then cancel it after the game.

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Milwaukee is playing .698 ball, they have the second best record in the league, and they just fired the head coach they hired this summer.

Woj said Doc Rivers is being considered as a replacement.

Wild.

But if you create history as the worst team ever you get to keep your job because corporate heads like Gores don't want to look stupid after they give speeches all summer hitching their wagon to a new hire.

They kept it close until about the 2 minute mark when good teams do what good teams do...and bad teams make mistakes.

Duren's new found freedom on offense is allowing us to see some things in his game, but it may need to be reigned in just a touch lest we start seeing Drummond part deux. Have fun with all those fancy footwork moves in the post, but no more  sizing up your defender 1-on-1 and trying to drive to the hoop or mid-range jumpers.

They brought Stew off the bench and it worked great, as we'd all expect. That's the role he should always be playing. I was excited for this positive change...and then Monty said in his press conference that it was just because Stew was injured and they were trying to limit his minutes. Just when I thought this coach might've learned something. Oh well, maybe in another 20 games he'll figure it out.

Team's been more competitive since we stopped seeing Livers, Wiseman, and reducing Killian's minutes. Imagine that.

18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

It has gone on long cycles. Scoring increased all through the early days of the league - peaking in the early 1960's at 118 ppg, which is a bit higher than even now (and with no 3pt shot!). Then it started going down - falling to 91.6 in 1999. Then it started back upward to where it is today.

I don't think I want to go back to hammer and tongs D like the bad boys - so I don't know where the ideal point is. If it were me I'd widen the court a couple of feet so the 3pt line could be moved out. I think that would open up the mid-range game and add more variety to offenses, but changing the court is probably the one thing that has zero chance of happening.

I'd love to see some real changes, like eliminating the corner three, but I doubt we'll see anything like that.

Simple changes would be great too, though. Just give the defender as much respect as the offensive player and allow him the right to his space on the court.

Eliminate fouls where the offensive player initiated the contact by driving directly into a defender. Also, get rid of the moving, leaning, and grabbing on screens (see Lopez and Giannis on every screen yesterday). Those two things alone would make a world of difference for the ability to defend.

The pendulum has simply swung too far in favor of the offense. Sure, we want to see fun basketball, but we also don't want to see free throws all day. Let's not forget that better defense can also lead to more fast breaks, which can be even more fun.

On 1/20/2024 at 3:26 PM, Deleterious said:

 

Wonder how many flops and free throws it took Wilt to get those numbers?

Also, 35 ppg is just the new 27 ppg. Historical comparisons of counting stats mean nothing to me anymore. Scoring is at an all-time high and defense is at an all-time low. I expect counting stats to just keep getting blown away until the NBA realizes they shifted too far and starts allowing some defense again.

No Stew. He injured his ankle in the last game.

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

The Pistons are 4-37 but it is not the worst halfway start in league history.  The 1993/94 Mavs hold that honor at 2-39.  5 other teams went 3-38 including the 1992/93 Mavs.  

So you’re saying there’s a chance?

Cleared, but returning..."next week"?

How about Monte Morris' quad strain that was originally supposed to be a couple weeks. Dude's been out 3 months. You'd think he had surgery or was carried off the floor at some point.

2 Pistons on Shaqtin’ a Fool again:

They did Marvin in the off-season (July 6th, 2022), which is what makes it even more mind-boggling. They had already drafted Duren and acquired Noel by then. But I see what you're saying since they just bid against themselves and didn't give the market a chance to set his value before pouncing on a deal in the first days of free agency.

2 hours ago, buddha said:

all of this better not be a precursor to signing wiseman as a backup center.  he is completely worthless on defense.  

we all know troy's failed big man fetish.

It would be totally on brand for Wiseman to sit behind Muscala for the rest of the season and Troy to sign him to a 13M dollar deal in the offseason anyway.

This was actually a pretty good game. Pistons hung in there most of the time and Ivey was spectacular. He even had some pretty nice defensive moments in this one.

Muscala played over Wiseman and it really puts into perspective just how bad Wiseman is when a washed up DNP -CD candidate immediately looks like a much better player. At least the guy knows how to set a screen. Now if only Cade and Monte could come back so I could stop seeing Killian rolled out there.