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16 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Say it with me.  No Monk.

 

I've never rooted so hard for a player exception. Langdon can't possibly be this shortsighted to take back Monk and his ugly contract, right? RIGHT?

Good fit, best shooter on the market to replace Beasley. Not a great contract but that's free agency for ya.

So I look at it this way, Levert replaced Schroder, Robinson replaced Beasley and Ivey replaced THJ. Sideways move, sizeable downgrade, significant upgrade.

11 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I don't care that we lost Schroder to be honest.  I do care that we currently do not have a backup PG.

Levert isn't a PG but he will probably take on some ballhandling responsibilities, Sasser might get back in the rotation, and/or they might stagger Cade and Ivey's minutes which is what they did some of last season before Ivey went down. I think they need to replace Beasley's shooting, it was a big reason why they won a number of games last season and I don't see Lanier being ready to bring what Beasley brought.

21 minutes ago, buddha said:

NAW to atlanta.

with beasley's "situation", shroeder gone to sactown, and lavert here.  the pistons have tread water at best.  and likely gotten worse.

they probably bring beasley back on a one year deal.

The Pistons are absolutely worse, Beasley and Schroder saved their bacon many times last season when Cade was a turnover machine in the 4th and nobody else could hit a shot. Depending on young player development, this is a worse roster than last season. As expected, Ivey is the key to all of this. If he comes back at 100% continuing his trajectory of last season then the Pistons can be a playoff team but if he's not the answer I could see a step back next season.

14 hours ago, Betrayer said:

Apparently it's not related to his time in Detroit. Back from when he was with LA.

If he's found guilty that's an NBA ban and his career is over. I'd like to hope that Trajan is smart enough to stay away from him this offseason even though this is just an investigation at this stage. Not worth the risk.

No need to operate over the cap now. Beasley in trouble, Schroder going somewhere to be a starter, and THJ isn't someone that you need to worry about prioritizing. Release the cap holds, Free up the money, and go get NAW or DFS or something. We needed to replace last years vets with some 2-way players anyway.

The Pistons were lucky that the news came down before free agency. Now they can move forward without Beasley in the fold. It would have been brutal had this came out a week or two later after he was signed and all the quality free agents were locked up. I hope they don't think Lanier can fill the role, that's a pretty big void that needs to be filled.

I see that Dumars and Weaver are still absolute clowns, that trade is so bad that it's beyond words. I don't see much of a difference between Newell and Queen and that pick they send to Atlanta is almost certainly going to be a top 10 pick. Incomprehensible

I put very little stock into what GMs say in a presser but it's pretty much in line with what I expected the Pistons to do. There was some real chemistry with the group and with a talent like Ivey returning to an ascending team, I fully expect Langdon to run it back to see how this group grows together.

Personally, I have some reservations. I'm unsure of the Ivey fit and I think the Pistons record was a little inflated by them beating up on a lot of mediocre to bad teams. I could see a little regression tbh as they now have expectations which is tough for some young teams to live up to after a breakout season. Also, Beasley was their 2nd best player often times last season, that's unsustainable. Ivey needs to be the real deal and/or Ausar or Holland need to take a big step forward.

11 hours ago, Deleterious said:

 

I don't know how they're going to pay everybody. Hell, we're talking about the Pistons with 1 big contract and how they're going to pay everybody or anybody for that matter. It's almost impossible in the new NBA with the aprons to keep a core intact coming off of rookie contracts. Presti will find a way though, he always does.

Obviously Frank retiring is an enormous loss but it's not only his loss, it's losing Zeitler, both coordinators, Hutch getting back up to speed, likely not seeing a healthy Alim until the season after and a killer schedule to beat. I have a lot of belief in Dan Campbell but the Lions could miss the playoffs this season. The offensive line is their engine and with so many question marks on it and a new offensive coordinator, it could be a struggle this season relative to the last few. 

14 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Cade missed a single contested layup at the end and now he’s complete trash and his future is a question mark? 

Yes, he missed a bunch of wide open shots earlier but if makes that one bucket at the end, none of you are questioning him.
 

I get emotions are high but dogging one of the top 10 seasons by a player in Pistons history all over a single play is ****ing stupid.  You are all better than that. 

Cade is being paid to be a superstar player, he's the guy you are hoping to lead a championship core so I think it's fair to question if he is indeed a #1 option on a championship contender going forward when he continually got outplayed in the clutch while also acknowledging that this was his first playoff so we should give him time. It's an honest concern to have based on what we saw in this series.

Putting antics aside, look at what Brunson did. That's what you need from a star to take the game over, Cade really hasn't proven to have a killer instinct yet in his career. He's a very good player but the Pistons need him to be a star going forward or their ceiling is limited. I do think it's hard to really judge him because the supporting cast with Ivey in particular out was undermanned but I'd like to see more take over mentality from him going forward, he's just too lackadaisical at times.

This game illustrates the difference between a star and a very good player. The team with the star won the game and series. JB is going to have to answer for why he took out Ausar, that cost the Pistons 5 points.

3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Why the hell was Thompson ever out of the game

Exactly, 5 points for Brunson immediately after Ausar gets subbed out. Inexplicable decision

JB taking Ausar out with 3 minutes left for....reasons?

Just now, Betrayer said:

Wow. Beasley showed up big time and they have a lead at the half!

This, despite absolutely horrendous lineup decisions by JB:

—Ausar seemingly on opposite minutes from Brunson. Huh?

—NY goes to double bigs and that’s when you have both Harris and Duren resting. Huh? Then you bring Duren back in after they sit Robinson.

—Too much THJ + Beasley. It’s one or the other. 

I'm baffled by the way JB has handled Ausar's minutes in this series. Brunson loves it though

Beasley picked a good time to get his 3 point shot back. Need Cade to be more aggressive in the second half, like Brunson has been.

29 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Cade played 9m49s in the 4th quarter tonight. 

He scored 13 points on 3-6 shooting 1-1 from three.  6-6 from the FT line.  4 rebounds 2 assists 1 TO.

 

He was great in the 4th. He and Ausar making me look like a dumbass for calling them out for their 4th quarter deficiencies.

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

If you told me the Pistons would win 2 road games in this series, I would assume they won the series. An inexperienced Detroit team is giving NY all they can handle.

An inexperienced and injured Pistons team without their 2nd best scorer and best defensive player, along with Ausar.

Ausar was a monster in this game, made me eat my words and the vets came through again. Cade woke up in the second half. Knicks needed like 3 Hail Mary threes, just like in Game 4, just to stay close late in the 4th. This was the Pistons game. Knicks now are bruised and battered, this could go 7.

48 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

The numbers don't lie.

They're better on offense and way better on defense with him on the court. Why? Because the half-court offense is bad either way so the defensive stops and transition opportunities make a far bigger difference on the offense than that 1 extra average shooter.

Also, the stats for Bruson when Ausar is on/off are bonkers. So, you're also making their best player completely inefficient.

It's the reason the team magically started playing better when Ausar got healthy and Ivey went down to open up a slot in the starting lineup. This has been true all year. They're a bad half-court offense that becomes a decent offense when Ausar is in the lineup to get stops and give them transition opportunities.

Sure but how are those numbers in the 4th quarter? You don't see many transition opportunities in crunch time, it's a lot of ISO ball and pass to shooters. Who is Cade and Schroder passing to if, say, Ausar is there in place of THJ? Harris and ??? ?you need some shooters in there. Just seeing these options, it's a miracle that the Pistons not only made the playoffs comfortably but have also pushed a healthy Knicks team to the limit. There's a real talent deficiency with this group, especially with Ivey out, they've been carried by simply playing harder than the opposition and defense.

6 hours ago, Longgone said:

Why is Hooker a miss? Seems like a solid backup for a 3rd rounder 

He's not even a backup. They brought in Bridgewater for the playoffs because they didn't trust Hooker as backup. It's a miss, the Lions aren't getting the dividends on Hooker unless Goff gets injured long term and Hooker gets them some wins. Holmes first two 3rd round picks were McNeil and Joseph for emphasis. I can even get the Martin trade in a sense because there's some upside for him to be a starter if he panned out, Hooker was never going to be a starter here.

17 hours ago, buddha said:

back to football...

when brad misses, he seems to miss when he goes WAY off board.  martin, sorsdal, and maybe manu (too early to tell) and he trades up to do it 

teslaa fits that mold.  just sayin.  we'll see.

overall, i think brad holmes has been one of the best team builders in the nfl.  he deserves all the benefits of all the doubts.

but he's not infallible.

that said, i love the first and second rounders.  i hate hate hate the trade up for a guy that was slotted 100+ picks later.

I don't lump Sorsdal in with the other guys, he was a 5th round pick which have like a .0000001% chance of being an= regular NFL player. The Martin swing baffled me at the time but that was only mid to low round picks so not much loss. Manu was a gamble because they traded away the future 3rd (that was recouped with the Glenn comp) then used both of his comps plus their own 3rd next year for Teslaa. Those are the big risks, Manu and Teslaa so....we'll see. If they hit on Manu, they have their bookend tackles for the next half decade at least once Decker is done which is massive so very high reward on that risk. Teslaa? I don't know, unless he's a Jamo replacement in a few years I'm not sure it's worth the risk. We'll see....

I think the Lions are in a position with a stacked roster that they can take some swings with quality over quantity. They already got their plug and play guys early in the last two drafts so the homerun swings are understandable.

I'd also add the Hooker pick into the miss pile. Odd move with very little upside for a team that already had its franchise QB. Could have traded a 5th or 6th for a development QB if they wanted one so bad.

Ausar is unplayable in the offensive end in crunch time. You can't have 3 on 5 on offense in clutch situations with Duren being the other unplayable guy. It's why I'm struggling to see both as part of a contending core going forward.

17 hours ago, Betrayer said:

“Our bad. Enjoy the offseason.”
 

What a joke, but totally on-brand for this series.

I don't even know why they need to admit it afterwards, just makes them look worse. "Owning it" after the fact doesn't change anything.

With that said, it was a bad non-call but par for the course with the way the game was called so to say one thing in favor of the reffing, at least they were consistent in letting the teams play so the final play was just a continuation of the way the game was called. Bad non-call yes but consistent with the style of reffing in the game which favored the Pistons btw who need to muck it up to have a chance.

20 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Even with the turnovers, I don't know how people still **** on Cade after that game. 

He was largely non-existent with scoring in the clutch again and turned the ball over a lot again. Plenty to criticize him about. We're talking about a high bar here, a superstar bar. Brunson was, again, big in the clutch while Cade wasn't. He's young, he'll learn to take over when the team needs him in the future hopefully but he doesn't have that in him right now.

Just now, TP_Fan said:

Who the hell cares about the none call.  How about we were up 11 with 6 mins left and choked again. This isn’t about the refs.  It’s about this teams uncanny ability to blow any lead at any time.  It’s a joke.  

That's stupid. Just because the Pistons blew the lead that doesn't make it any less of a bad call.