AlaskanTigersFan

Yes they are.

Just found this site https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades I'm too cheap to spend the money for this. But one of the top trades listed in terms of value is: Tigers get:(40.7 point value) Brent Rooker Athletics get: (41.20 point value) Wenceel Perez Jace Jung Josue Briceno Ethan Scheifelbein I'd do this deal too. Cool site.

I think you're right pretty much. I'm honestly in your boat. but For those that want to make a serious run at a WS this year, in order to get things that'd help, it's going to cost something. Rainer is about the cost I think it'd take. The Pirates Deal would be very appealing as it wouldn't mortgage the future but still greatly enhance our team this year. (Yes, I like the Pirates deal WAY MORE than the Rockies Deal, I was just throwing some stuff out there to get your thoughts on things). I think we're playing way above expectations (I am vehemently on record saying this last year as well and took a lot of flack for it). But having said that, if some people want to "go for it" this year, then the type of deal with the Pirates I think is pretty realistic and it'd cost someone of Rainer's value. Pirates won't give away an All star closer, #2/#3 type starter and the best defensive 3B in the game without getting something back. I'm making them throw in their third best pitching prospect as well to add more value in giving up Rainer. I really think that's a realistic deal that helps us now without mortgaging the future. I'd rather not do any deal involving Rainer. But I think he's the absolute highest prospect we'd trade if we get something actually good in return.

I think Bigbie is in the top 7 or 8 OF'rs for the Tigers Depth chart. But again, I want the Tigers to go after Kyle Tucker or someone like that in the OF.

I also want to point out, I love how Tampa Bay and the Dodgers do this every year specifically. They move players when younger players are ready, in order to get even younger players in return to restock the farm system (Selling one veteran for two or three high end prospects that are a few years away). IIRC we have some people in our front office that came from both the Dodgers and Rays system. It's a good model. I love watching what the Rays, Dodgers and to an extent the Brewers do each year when they have to finalize their 40 man rosters before the Rule 5 draft. The amount of anti acid pills and pepto bismol that those GM's and Presidents of Operations must take because of the pressure on who to keep and who to expose is probably by the pallet stacks. The Tigers are almost at that point. I'd love it if we had so many prospects, we have to let some go. Which is kind of what happened this year with Hicks...... I think we are honestly almost there, and a deal like what I presented kind of sets us up to do that going forward....... (Sorry for multiple posts but I think it's important to see the whole picture of moving other "pieces" that can be used to plug other holes.)

No, I appreciate the dialogue. When Max is ready, I think Perez or even Freeman can get moved. Parker Meadows can easily be replaced by Max Clark. But I think the best OF (based on what we actually have right now) would be Green (LF), Clark(CF) and Freeman (RF) (in an ideal world). Carpenter is more of a DH kind of guy anyway. But Perez/Meadows and Carp would be on outside looking in and can be used in deals to help other areas. But this is baseball. We will need depth, injuries happen or players years will go to 💩💩💩. As a stratomatic player, I get to see even stars have crap years literally every year. It happens. We can always use depth. Justice Bigbie and Campos will be ready in the next few years too if they hit as a prospect. Moving Perez and/or Meadows wouldn't be the worst thing in the world when Clark is ready. Perez in my opinion is an average (at best) player, nothing special but gets the job done. Meadows is an above average defender but I don't see him being a great hitter (league average would be fantastic if he can do that which he's shown glimpses of, but hasn't been able to recreate consistently). Carpenter can hit the crap out of the ball but isn't a great defender. I could also see us moving Freeman and having the Tigers spend on a Free Agent RF as well. Understand, I think Freeman is having a career year. But if we can ride him this year as a table setter, it'd help this team a TON this year. But even going forward, I'd rather have Freeman in the OF than Perez. We need more .350+ OBP guys. We have enough power, we need guys on base that can be on base when the power launches one over the fence. Freeland was always supposed to be that super high OBP guy. We need one of those (partially why I'm still pissed we let Liam Hicks walk for free when he's a .400 OBP guy... fml) Good teams have repeatable depth that they can deal from. If we move an OF or two because we have more coming up in the minors, that's a good thing. This year we are lacking but the farm is close to producing. We can take advantage of the situation and keep replenishing our farm. Not every prospect will make it or succeed as we predict as you know. So if we increase our odds, then I think we kind of hedge our bet. Out of all honesty, I'd love to see this deal made, then in the off season, spend 400 million on Kyle Tucker. You can then parlay Freeman (to a team like the cubs) for pitching or whatnot. But can you imagine Green, Clark, Tucker? Bruh. The Tigers are in a position to spend on some players. Soon they'll have to pay their own players. I just pray it's not on Skubal and more on position players. Most SP contracts don't work out nearly as well as position players. I'd rather have Kyle Tucker than Skubal on my team for the next 10 years. But again, that's just my opinion.

THat allows our "all-star" McKinstry to sub each day wherever needed as well. *Side note* - I'd love the Tigers to go after Adley Rutschman. Talk about bad luck. All of his underlying metrics show he's a top 5 C in the game. Whoever buys low on him will look like a genius of Baltimore's actually stupid enough to trade him which I think they might actually be.....

No. We can even move Freeland to RF (where he'd be a plus defender) or put Green in RF and when Carp Returns put him at DH. 1. Freeland - RF 2. Carpenter - DH 3. Green - LF 4. Torres - 2B 5. Torkelson - 1B 6. Keith - 3B 7. Baez - SS 8. Dingler - C 9. Meadows - CF Thats a long lineup with a huge table setter at the top. Much more respectable as a playoff team.

Hamms on rehab assignment as of two days ago. Should be activated this weekend/early next week.

Don't think we're giving up enough in this deal?

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tyler-freeman-671289?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb XBA .299, .XSLG .408, WOBA .362, XWOBA .356 - Those are top 20 MLB numbers. He's the definition of a leadoff hitter. Great Arm strength (86th%). It's literally his Range that's pulling him down. You put him in LF at Comerica with Meadows in CF and that becomes moot. He becomes a plus defender there.

I think Rainer would be an acceptable cost as a headliner for that type of package. #3 starter, starting 3B (where if he learns how to hit, could become beyond lopsided trade), all star closer and a good pitching prospect. Rainer is a stud. But With McGonigle and now Yost coming up, he's expendable. We can plug some big holes in this trade scenario but we're going to have to pay something. Plus all those guys we get have team control. And on top that, Harrington could be very good as soon as this year. We could call him up now even......

Where do you see Liranzo is hurt?

Ok. What about the Pirates trade offer? (I respect your opinion so I'm really curious your thoughts).

FR though, would you do that dea? 🙂

Andrew Painter Baseball Savant (This dude is going to be a friggin STUD imo). If he's healthy going into next year, he'll be a top 10 MLB pitcher. I'd take Painter over anyone in our rotation right now (except Skubal). But if we're going to lose SKubal, I want someone of Painters calibur. 2025 Video scouting report » Scouting grades: Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 65 | Overall: 60 One of the best high school arms in the 2021 Draft class, Painter looked like perhaps the best pitching prospect in the game during his first full season, reaching Double-A in 2022 and earning MLB Pipeline Pitching Prospect of the Year honors. His express train to the big leagues was derailed by an elbow injury and subsequent Tommy John surgery that kept him off a competitive mound for all of 2023 and 2024. His highly anticipated return to action in the Arizona Fall League last year did not disappoint, and there was little rust as the right-hander displayed his elite-level stuff over the course of six outings. During his time in the Fall League, Painter showed that in many ways he was the same premium prospect with a legitimate four-pitch mix, albeit with a little twist. His plus heater was touching 100 mph again and averaged 97 in the fall with plenty of ride up in the zone, he dropped in his low-80s curve for strikes and his above-average changeup got better as the fall season wore on. The new wrinkle for the 6-foot-7 right-hander was a harder slider with cutter-like action thrown in the upper 80s, replacing what had been more of a sweeper. Painter misses bats with all four offerings, and while his fastball command was understandably a bit scattered at times given his long layoff, he continued to astound with his ability to pound the strike zone thanks to a simple and repeatable delivery. Even with all the time away, Painter will be just 22 years old for the 2025 season and ready to pick up where he left off before the injury.

That's surprising. Tyler Freeman is a stud. He'd be an amazing table setter for our team. I think it'd be great to get a guy with an OBP above .375 atop our lineup. I was originally leaning towards Jordan Beck instead of Freeman, but I think Freeman fits our team more "now" and Beck more in the future.

Officially throwing this out there: Tigers get: Mitch Keller K'Bryan Hayes David Bednar Thomas Harrington Pirates get: Rainer Lirizano Hamm Vierling (Not sure if we'd have to include Ty Madden to balance this out or not) Tigers get a #3 starter, a 3B (defense wins championships and he's the best defensive 3B in the game which will boost our starters drastically), a closer, and a top pitching prospect (Can probably be brought up in RP role for stretch run). Pirates get two premium position players, a strong SP prospect and a Utility player to use now. They keep in tact their future rotation of Skenes, Jones, Chandler, Barco (probably best four SP rotation in MLB in 2 years), Heaney with Hamm and another 20+ pitching prospects behind them (they are LOADED in pitching). Who says no?

Tigers get: Tyler Freeland Ryan McMahon Juan Meja (Look at his road splits) Rockies get: Rainer Hamm Jung Ty Madden Who says no?

I think if Nick Martinez was under contract for another year then yes. But for one year probably a no imo. I think they can use Anderson + someone else (Jung, Lee, Liranzo) to get Mitch Keller and Bednar from the Pirates. Would fit us better.

I don't understand the fascination with Taylor Ward. A .232/.309/.488 (with a .268 BABIP and a 26% K rate). He also has a minus 2.7 defensive value. Yea the dude can hit some home runs. But being able to get on base at a .309 clip? Due for massive regression. And a terrible defender. Ironic though because a guy I work with went to school with him and is really good freinds with him. But I don't get why we'd want him. Seems like some pop off the bench but I wouldn't want him out there every day. I'd rather go after Ryan O'Hearn and stick him in LF. Jung + Hamm could probably get it done. We don't need to give up our top 5 guys for O'hearn. If we wanted to get crazy then we could look at a package for O'Hearn and Felix Bautista. Then we might be looking at adding in someone like Liranzo or Lee to the previous package. But then you address the Bat and closer without totally sapping your farm team. I think Jung and Hamm will both be very productive MLB players. Liranzo and Lee will too but I think they'd be more average than above average. It can be done.

Crazy still. River Hamilton, Grinsell and Dumesnil were all 2nd round talents. Jacobs could have gone in the first for a while there. Thats some good rounded depth. I like that they targeted a lot of HS's this draft too. Olivito was ranked 50th by ESPN and 59th by Fangraphs. Yost was ranked 36th by Fangraphs. I like Fangraphs a lot. They seem to be more in tune with things if you ask me. Especially with Saberhager and his write ups. https://tigersmlreport.com/2025/07/19/some-thoughts-on-the-2025-detroit-tigers-draft-class/ is a great article if you got time to read. They point out that the pitchers we took have some good upside but have one or two things that could use some fixing. I'm so glad our pitching department has changed so much over the years. We used to be trash at developing pitchers. Now I think Fetter has instilled a great program throughout the organization. Dude better get a raise this year....... He's probably the best coach the Tigers have.

I think Harris will be reserved. I think he'll look at marginal deals, not necessarily for stars. But Something along the lines of Jung for a Reliever. I think he's looking at the depth chart. Jung can still be good and if he was still prospect rating worthy, he'd be between 5-8 on our prospect list. But he's now the 3rd or 4th best at SS/3B in our organization. So he's got hype value still. Jung for someone like Bednar wouldn't surprise me at all. I could see the Cubs trading someone like Owen Cassie for Emanuel Clase or someone like that. But only if there's multiple years of control. Or they could do Cassie and someone like Jackson Wiggins for Mitch Keller + Bednar. You're right that the Cubs are built to win now. I could see them making a move like that including their top prospect. I don't think the Tigers will touch their top 5 but Jung his the highest prospect value we have that will be moved. Just my $0.02. (Honestly I wouldn't mind keeping Jung. I think he can fix his crap and be an average 3B at least. But I think he gets moved this trade deadline)

Ethan Rogers, LHP, sr., Lone Jack College commitment: Wichita State Drafted: Round 18, Pick 549 Team: Detroit Tigers The MLB Draft is truly a crapshoot. While there were rumblings late in the draft process that at least one team was considering taking Rogers in the early rounds, he and his mid-90s fastball ultimately ended up going to the Tigers in round 18. Rogers went 8-1 this season with a 0.53 ERA for the Mules, who went 29-5. The southpaw struck out 118 batters in 52.2 innings and allowed only 10 hits, 12 runs (4 earned) and walked 33. Not to be overlooked, He also batted .500 (53-for-106) and got on base at a .594 clip with a 1.169 OPS. He scored 45 runs, drove in 30 and stole 28 bases. https://www.si.com/high-school/missouri/2025-mlb-draft-meet-the-former-missouri-high-school-baseball-stars-who-were-selected-01k05xvnhxk5 Woulda been nice to get him for sure.

https://www.louisianasports.net/2025/07/22/lsu-signees-jaden-fauske-and-river-hamilton-ink-pro-deals/latest-stories/ - So cool.