AlaskanTigersFan

8 is minimum. 10 is most likely. Yankee's, Mets, Dodgers, Phillies will all give him at least 8. Someone will most likely go to 10.

This is EXACTLY why I think the Tigers have been over achieving the last two years and implore the Tigers to trade Skubal to set them up for the next decade. You put Michael Jordan on an average College basketball team in his prime and let him play 60% of the time, they are more than likely going to win a majority of those games. He can carry them by himself even if those around him are under achieving. I feel like this has been the Tigers the last two years. Now you trade Michael Jordan in this scenario and bring in two five star prospects along with your one five star and 2 four star commitments, now you built a winning team. I know very little about basketball. But I'm guessing 3 five stars and 2 four stars are probably going to do pretty good if they all are top 30 players at their perspective spots. Especially if they all stay together and play four years. Lets do that with the Tigers...... But they have to do it NOW! (just my $0.02)

I agree wholeheartedly. I just think sacrificing 2026 for 2027-2037 is worth it in my eyes. But thats what makes it fun being a fan. We all have our perspectives. (That and I love prospects). Thanks for sharing your thoughts for sure! (I know you're not alone in those as many agree with you!)

That's fine. I'm just curious though. If you look at the Angels, they are in Baseball purgatory because they could have traded Ohtani for a boatload (More than what we'd get for Skubal) but didn't, so they could run it one more time with him. If we do the same thing, do you have fear that we'll be in the same baseball purgatory? Would you be willing to run it back next year knowing that we probably miss the playoffs for the next 10 years? (I'm not trying to be a prude or negative in any way, I'm legitimately asking this as this is what I think happens if we run with Skubal for one more year. But I'm of the opinion the Tigers have overachieved the last two years as well which I know is in the minority of opinion here on this board also). But would appreciate your thoughts on that: Would you be willing to run it back next year knowing that we probably miss the playoffs for the next 10 years?

I think he's the #2 trade bait behind Jung. A lot of people around the league are still high on Jung. But Anderson could be a deal for an OF' or pitcher.

Hot off the press, sports writers talking what it'd take for Skubal. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/tarik-skubal-potential-next-stop-095600022.html TLDL: Seattle • Cole Young (SS) + Emerson Hancock (RHP) + high-upside A-ball prospect. • Harry Ford (C) + Emerson Hancock (RHP) + mid-tier prospect. If the price escalates, a conversation that includes Bryan Woo is where talks get serious. Boston • Marcelo Mayer (SS/3B) + Hunter Dobbins (RHP) + Luis Perales (RHP). Mets packages: • Jett Williams (SS/CF) + Brandon Sproat (RHP) + Ryan Clifford (OF/1B). • Luisangel Acuna (2B/SS) + Jonah Tong (RHP) + Carson Benge (OF). ________________________ Mets article about the same thing: It would have to be one of either Jett Williams or Carson Benge, probably pushing on Benge. Every team is asking for Benge right now. One of a [Brandon] Sproat or a [Jonah] Tong], and then another prospect, like a Ryan Clifford," Duquette said, per an X post from SNY. https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/ex-gm-reveals-how-new-york-mets-could-complete-tarik-skubal-trade-grant9 https://sny.tv/video/-do-mets-have-enough-pieces-to-trade-for-tarik-skubal-baseball-night-in-ny ______________________________________ Yankees Both Luis Gil and Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz, Dominguez and 2025 1st round pick Dax Kilby https://fansided.com/mlb/a-loaded-yankees-trade-package-for-tarik-skubal-and-what-it-would-mean-for-tigers-01k7g00mp9cc ____________________________ Of the ones mentioned. I like the Mets. Carson Benge, Johah Tong and Ryan Clifford. Done deal. We'll pay for shipping too... Although the Red Sox package looks great too. Mariners I'd rather have Colt Emerson + Emerson Handcock + a High A player. But I guess that isn't happening............

I've gotten into some arguments with some pretty smart baseball people (in my opinion) about Skubal. I flat out told them I want him traded (still do). Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..... What if we play Skubal and Boras into Boras's own game. Boras loooooooves the opt-out option. How would you guys feel about offering Skubal a 10 year deal, $415 mil over 10 years. Years 1-3, pay him $45 million per year, then 4-10 pay him $40million per year giving him an opt out after year 3 and 4? (I say this because if he gets injured in year 3, year 4 would be a prove it year). That way we get him for the rest of his assumed prime, and more likely he'd opt out if he was really good going for another contract and we could run for the hills? (I know this would never happen, but you have to admit, that'd be pretty sweet). Nahhh, trade him lol.

I think some teams that have a young OF would be interested. Someone like the Orioles with Beavers, Kjerstad, Cowser, Dylan Carlson....... If we could pry one of their young bucks (Cowser would be my preference) and someone like Mayo, I'd be all for it. It could work out for them too...... They also have Enrique Bradfield about to come up. Ike Irish could move fast and with Catcher blocked by Rutschman/Basallo, he could move to the OF and be up in 2026..... Best college hitter last year......... he should be fast tracked. So Greene moving to a team that's loaded with young OF'rs shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. He'd provide an all-star veteran presence that some teams could really like. Even if he is lacking in the defense area a little...... ---------------------------------------------------- I forgot he's 25. There's still plenty of time for room for improvement. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Looks like his defense actually ticked up this year.

By the way, I disagree with this. The chances of Skubal being 80% of the pitcher he is (without injury) 3 years from now is astronomical. I don't want to pay $40 (more likely 45) million plus for a #3 or #4 starter if he's healthy after 3 years for antoher 7 years. Thats the problem I have. If he was 4 or 5 years younger, yes, I'd pay him $500mil over 10. But he isn't.... get rid of him an buy.

You're all beautiful......

Happened last year with Arrenado.......

I'm ATF, and I approve of this message! (Although they are going for it so they won't give up their closer...... so give us Justin Crawford instead)

We're already thin af at the secondary. Now this? What a nerd......

Painter's 16 overall, Miller is 32 overall and Crawford is 50. (Phillies prospects whose match is perfect with Tigers). Even if we kick back a prospect like Hamm or Anderson, I'd still do that..... Just makes too much sense.

https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-in-eight-player-deal?partnerId=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A&utm_id=it-20240630-10323479-mlb-1-A Juan Soto did. If the best hitter did, I'm guessing the best pitcher will.... Or it'd be close.

Remember, trading him now (during the off season) probably equates to three A grade prospects. Waiting till half way through the season might, maybe get you one A grade prospect and some flyers. More likely it'd be a package of three or four B level prospects. Let me put it a different way to understand his value. Would you rather get: Package A: Max Clark, Kevin McGonigle and Rainer Or Package B: Brisceno, Liranzo, Max Anderson and Jadem Hamm Give me Package A please. Trade Skubal now..............

Dave Dombrowski's team is win now. He's notorious for emptying the farm in a scorched earth. Skubal makes the Phillies the favorite next year. If we get their top 3 prospects for Skubal, you do it. And Dave might be the guy to do just that...... Makes too much sense. If they re-sign Schwarber, then this becomes a HUGE reality.

Agree with everything u said. I still think he'll be better than the second half numbers. I think its easy to say he's a first division regular. But if they can move him and get a huge return, I'd be open to that. I'd more like to keep him, sign Kyle Tucker for RF and wait a year for Clark. That'd be one of the best OF's in the AL.......

His OPS was .021 different this year than last? So I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. His average was a difference of .004 from the previous year and his OBP was the biggest drop in .035. But he also increased his slugging by .014. Lastly, his BABIP was .021 LOWER than his career average. So he actually should have been better than last year. What should we be concerned about? I'm legit not following that...... Like you mentioned, he's 25, but is a 2x All-Star before turning 26....... Yes, his defense could improve (although -2 is pretty close to league average). But so can Kyle Schwarber, Yordan Alvarez, Christian Yelich, Randy Arozarena's as well as many others...... I'd be very happy with those guys in LF...... What do you not like about Greene long-term? The prime baseball age for players is 28-32. He's still two to three years away from his prime.......

A. I was joking about the drugs, so calm down there please. B. You're saying that a career .232/.308/.386 should be an all-star. Not to mention, his BEST season if projected to a full season would be 12 steals/12 HR. He's not a 30/30 guy, nor will he ever be........ At the very most, Parker Meadows would be a really good #4 OF on a 1st division team for a defensive replacement. I get that he was injured this year, but his .BABIP was .280 and he's got career postings of below average barrel%, hard hit %, and batspeed. There's no underlying stats that show he is an All-Star. Now, a gold glover, that's a different story. The Tigers Legit have one, maybe two first division Regulars and that goes to Greene and Carpenter. Tork, Dingler, Keith all will probably be second division regulars. The Tigers have overperformed for two years in a row. Career years by McKinstry and Torres helped for sure. But this isn't sustainable. Tigers need to make some big moves. Since Cameron Maybin, the Tigers haven't had star prospects in their system. McGonigle and Clark actually have that "star potential" (Maybe Rainer too). Guys like Briceno, Liranzo, Lee and Yost could be decent/maybe 1st division regulars. There's a big difference from the pedigree of what's in the minors versus what's on our team now. Will all of these prospects work out? More than likely not. But at the same time, there's a better chance of them being better than almost everyone on our roster, than not. It will take time but I think all Tiger fans need to be realistic. And I'm sorry to call out that statement that Meadows will be an All-Star. Literally nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on that....

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Ummmm, please send me your dealers number. I want to buy now........ Must be some good stuff for sure. Does he need a distribution network? BTW, Archie, I agree with everything except your first line. Greene, Carpenter are really the only two untouchables on this team. No one else is a division first regular (Sorry Tork and Keith, your close, but not quite there......). You must have bought from MonkeyTargets dealer...... Send me his number please.

Sign Kyle Tucker, Edwin Diaz, Dylan Cease, Zac Gallen, Shane Bieber. Trade Skubal. Redecorate the trophy room so you have space to add four of the next five World Series trophies. Ez enough.

Starting a thread specifically about trading Skubal. I posted this in another thread, but since it's 8 pages long and only like 10 people look at posts that long, I figured I'd repost my original here. _______________________________________________________________ If the Tigers trade Skubal this offseason, he can get up to three top prospects from a team (looking at you Dave Dombrowski of the Phillies who hates prospects![Andrew Painter, Aidan Miller, Justin Crawford]). If they wait for next year, and are out of the playoffs by mid-year and go to trade him (if he's not hurt), that value drops to maybe one of an organization's top 4 or 5 prospect and a few B level flyers...... Trade him now, let the kids play w/ McGonigle, Briceno, Liranzo, Anderson and maybe Clark next year...... If the Tigers trade him this offseason, they set their team up in a much better spot to win for the next decade. If they don't, then it's one of the most neglectful situations in Detroit sports history, maybe even in all of professional sports history. If Skubal costs 400million+ (and we actually were able to sign him), and we only get 2 years of ACE quality, MAAAAAAAAYBE 3, is he really worth 400+ million dollars? We will screw the organization all over again by combining Baez's bad contract WITH Miguel Cabrera's later years. According to Chat GPT, there are only 8 players who have had an ERA under 3.00 with at least 15 starts while being 35 years of age and older. Out of about 30,000 to 40,000 pitchers. Anyone who doesn't want Skubal traded right now is (edited) begging for mediocrity for the next decade. Trade him now or suffer. It's really that simple.

If the Tigers trade Skubal this offseason, he can get up to three top prospects from a team (looking at you Dave Dombrowski of the Phillies who hates prospects![Andrew Painter, Aidan Miller, Justin Crawford]). If they wait for next year, and are out of the playoffs by mid-year and go to trade him (if he's not hurt), that value drops to maybe one of an organization's top 4 or 5 prospect and a few B level flyers...... Trade him now, let the kids play w/ McGonigle, Briceno, Liranzo, Anderson and maybe Clark next year...... If the Tigers trade him this offseason, they set their team up in a much better spot to win for the next decade. If they don't, then it's one of the most neglectful situations in Detroit sports history, maybe even in all of professional sports history. If Skubal costs 400million+ (and we actually were able to sign him), and we only get 2 years of ACE quality, MAAAAAAAAYBE 3, is he really worth 400+ million dollars? We will screw the organization all over again by combining Baez's bad contract WITH Miguel Cabrera's later years. According to Chat GPT, there are only 8 players who have had an ERA under 3.00 with at least 15 starts while being 35 years of age and older. Out of about 30,000 to 40,000 pitchers. Anyone who doesn't want Skubal traded right now is literally bending over the Tigers and are begging for mediocrity for the next decade. Trade him now or suffer. It's really that simple.

That will be a HUGE mistake.