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I also know that motor city bengals is one of the worst sites out there and would never visit or read. Byb is barely tolerable. Rogelio works hard and I appreciate the coverage but I don’t need their opinions. You guys here do a much better job.

It sure is a tricky line to walk. There is a line between fact and authorship. There are many articles I see that are reporting a fact that I want to know about. Paywall hits and I resort to googling the fact. I’m good to go. Someone doing some actual analysis and forming a theory/conclusion/opinion? Obviously that’s a work of authorship that has protection. but how do you define that acody compared the tigers to the orioles? Is it a fact that he did that? Or is it authorship that he came to that conclusion. Anyway, to answer your question. I know it when I see it.

I thinking is also included as part of Apple News, which many people have but don’t realize they do. That’s how I read baseball prospectus, the freep, and the detnews.

You didn’t need to. We all saw it. He knows.

But Dingler has the better name. Also, what is worse? All star discussion or hall of fame discussion?

Just want to make sure you know I saw it.

So, the quote above about trading the OF prospect you don’t like and keeping the ones you do? Isn’t that exactly what rival GMs would criticize Harris for doing? No one wants the ****ty one that the internet list makers still like, and that’s the only one you want to give up. Difficult to deal with.

My bad @chasfh didn’t see that you were already corrected for this embarrassing mistake.

Nick was in San Diego. DD dumped him a while ago.

The tigers have the second worst CF DRS in baseball at -8. Worst is pit at -9. And I can’t say for sure but I suspect that playing corner OF in CF and IF/DH types in corner OF also doesn’t help.

My list of Scott Harris complaints is very short. I was very happy with the roster exiting spring training. I personally didn’t see the need for McKinstry, but that was about it. My in-season complaint is that I think he should have just called up max clark to play CF and bat 9th when Javy went down. I don’t care that he he had gone cold following his hot start. The cold streak was as limited a sample as the hot streak. And I do not agree with any sort of rigid rule for PAs at a certain level. I think development can continue at the major league level similar to AAA. The issue is whether or not that development will hurt or hinder the major league team’s performance, but we needed a CF and he was the AAA CF. And he was also quite likely to end up on the roster at some point this season. I of course understand that the first and easiest move is to call up a guy like Lee or Jung that is already on the roster. But that only goes so far and once more guys start dropping like flies, for example the point where Kerry got hurt, it’s time to break that emergency glass a take a chance. Instead we got gage workman added to the 40 because he had a hot streak. We still continue to be without a CF. We still continue to carry both Short and McKinstry to backup SS. I know Clark is not forcing the issue. If he was that would a completely different complaint. I think he could hold his own at the major league level right now, and there is nothing stopping them from sending him back down if he doesn’t.

Yes, and as Chas pointed out recently, the guys in the locker room are indeed human and I believe there can definitely be inertial confidence / depression when things start moving in a certain direction. They can say all the right things to the media in the locker room about “next man up” or “we come back tomorrow and try to win a baseball game”, but it has to be frustrating to see that your reserves are the likes of Zack short and gage workman. These guys know. It’s not a secret which guys have high ceilings and which guys are placeholders. It’s fine to play roster games for a week or so, but when the roster games result in having a month worse than 2003 (I think last I checked their offense in May was worse than the 2003 tigers), I doubt it is going to be received well.

I recall going to game at tiger stadium when Nokes hit two homers. I believe the second one was to right field and barely cleared the fence. Might have even gone off the RF’s glove. He couldn’t have had that many two homer games. I could probably find it.

It’s obviously true that the timing of any call-up has downstream effects on service time and related benefits. I think it’s fine to take those into consideration when it means a difference of a couple weeks. But I don’t agree that if you have a valid reason to make a move that you delay that move by months because of it. Whether or not Clark (or Anderson) is both ready for a promotion and can help the team is certainly debatable. But in my view if you conclude that he could be called up and he could help the team, I think it’s wrong to leave him in Toledo. We just had one of the worst months of baseball that we have ever seen, and we played the entire month without a CF. I’m not necessarily saying max clark would have helped us win more game in May. But I don’t think he would have hurt us either, and now the season is basically over. Sometimes call up timing is clear and easy like with Kevin this year. But that didn’t stop at least a few in the media from actually suggesting that he not be called up until August. That was crazy then and it is obviously hilarious to think about now. If it were August 2 instead of June 2 and we were in the same state as we are currently, then it would be a much easier call to make.

I want to see the actual prospects. The fools gold one-month AAA warriors like malgieri and julks and workman can stay away. But guys like Clark and Anderson have actual skills and I don’t necessarily agree that a specific level needs to be achieved before advancement.

I do love the idea of other execs griping that Harris wouldn’t accept their ****ty prospects and AAAA guys in exchange for Eduardo and Jack a few years ago, or his refusal to include Kevin and max and Melton in rental deals last year. The same execs mad that he wouldn’t accept the ****ty prospects are the same ones not accepting Jace Jung and Hao Yu Lee last offseason.

I agree with alL of this except for the phrasing of the Morton/paddack “process” not being sound. The results were of course very bad, but I rarely agree with “the results speak for the themselves”. For the same reason, I’m not sure whether you can say the process for signing Framber was sound. If he pitches to a 5 era over the next few seasons and we are stuck paying him a big chunk of our budget, the results will surely be bad. Signing Framber put us right up against the tax threshold, and that’s probably going to be fine because it doesn’t look like we will need to add anyone this year. But anyway, I agree that teams should lean into more present day risk when you are within a championship window. It sucks that they seemed to do so for this year only to get absolutely screwed in the luck/injury department. It could very well be the case that we had a nice offer on the table last year involving melton that we didn’t take. I think it’s clear any deal involving Kevin was rightfully declined. Maybe there was a deal to be made for max clark that we didn’t make. Hard to say. I do think they probably screwed up not getting the Bregman deal over the line last year.

They went 1-5

I don’t think Mize will be traded. For one thing, putting him on the market alongside Skubal gives people a backup option to trade a mid tier package for a decent SP rather than pay up for Tarik. But that’s minor. The larger aspect is that I don’t think the potential return is going to be much higher than the comp pick, and I do think Mize is right in that sweet spot where he accept a QO and we would be happy if he did. And if he didn’t, I think he’s good enough to get the FA deal needed to net the good draft pick. That said, if a team out there wants to trade a top 50 prospect for him, then he’s gone. But I don’t see it.

I think that was more a comment regarding last season’s deadline. Personally, I’m not sure there is much else that can be said about the current season, so maybe dissecting last season again could be interesting. With the benefit of hindsight now, what could have been don’t differently a year ago at the deadline when we were on track for a bye? Can of worms opened.

I think meadows was basically a lock to play every day against RHP, and even occasionally against lefties, in the fully healthy roster scenario this season. I do recall how much criticism he got in the spring when he hadn’t gotten many hits early on, but that always felt like an overreaction to me. I’m surprised to see you refer to him as a provisional member of the 26 man roster because I see very few scenarios where they would choose to keep him out of the lineup, at least through the end of this season. The only thing that made it feel somewhat minor when he went out was that Javy had shown the ability to play CF well and hit enough while doing so, and it was annoying that he was taking SS reps from Kevin, so it felt like a minor thing to swap Javy into CF and lean on Colt and Kevin to play the left side.

Bring in whoever they should have brought in for vest the other night.

That was close to the same ball Neto hit that bounced off vest. This time it doesn’t hit vest and it’s the out it should be.

I thought the same thing the other day. But then I thought about how any of the four teams in line to get the first round bye should be in on Skubal, regardless of market size and general philosophy. These opportunities really don’t come around that often (meaning both being a title contender and having a rental cy young on the market at the deadline). And even in the brewers case, they already cashed in Freddy P, so they kind of have a little house money (overall, not necessarily the guys they got back in particular) and could maybe look at it as they upgraded from Freddy to Tarik and also came out ahead in system depth, while also being in position to contend. With a looming work stoppage, the time is now.

Weather not looking great.