LaceyLou

It still puzzles me that anybody would trust Drumpf on the economy. With all his bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and current campaign debt in the billions? His track record sucks. So if people are thinking twice I'm happy. And while I don't think it would be possible to accomplish quickly, Elon's plan to slash 3 trillion from the government spending (all while spending millions and possibly billions to deport 'undesirables') would have a disastrous effect. It sounds similar to policies of the Hoover administration and we all know how that worked. I think people would shocked to know just how many Americans lived in abject poverty before safety nets and worker safety rules came to be-unfortunately it's still unacceptable how many Americans are hungry and unfortunately it can get worse. Even if the economy eventually stabilizes there's a good chunk of people who will never recover. How many of us have jobs that are financed in part by government programs? How many of us depend on roads, water, energy, transportation, and other infrastructure that's funded by government? How many businesses have been subsidized? OK, so they'll be exempt from cuts, but still. Elon, can we have those billions you accepted for SpaceX back? (Sorry to drag you into this via replying to your post, MTB, you just happened to have something that highlights what I believe should be a strength for Harris)

I'm from New England, I can't help it. 😉 I'm actually fine, most of the time-as long as I stay off of twitter and all of its Russian bots spewing out trash. And I almost never go there. Twitter was cool, X not so much.

I hope you're right. I want my nieces to have just as many opportunities as my nephews. And for me it's not the only issue. What I've seen of his other proposals makes me think it would be a disaster economically, too. Is it true he and his campaign, are billions in debt right now?

I think many of us are preparing for the worst, tbh. The scenario of Harris wins popular vote, but not the electoral vote is feeling way too possible.

I've been disappointed by white women voters before, especially my fellow Gen Xers.

And that's not even his scariest belief.

About 95% of the people I know are voting for Harris. That doesn't mean she's going to win the election. I'm aware that you're in a swing state and I am not, of course. And yeah, I agree with others, you need to find better people to hang out with.

Apt comparison... of course, unlike Drumpf Dukakis is a decent, intelligent person who unfortunately made a lot of foolish choices in that campaign. 😞

I hope you're right. I just can't help but remember the phrase "He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless," and nobody can be flawless. And fair or not, she will be judged more harshly.

DIdn't you know? Unless he wins all 50 states it means people cheated.

Good analogy. Another point people don't seem to get is that both Socialism and Communism are not forms of government, but economic systems. On the topic of welfare-in addition to your points my guess is many people think Corporate welfare is just fine.

IIRC, BST's name was Ian, so my guess is that it's not the same person.

Not sure.

I don't know if he himself has officially called them Nazis, but... I do have a few connections on FB who are MAGAts, who post memes comparing Nazis with Democrats, and who regularly call them socialists and/or communists. I remember a while back somebody from the old board from the UK, who described himself as a real Socialist, saying that to him Obama was very right wing (was his handle Blue Square Thing, maybe?). I'm pretty sure that there are an awful lot of people out there who really have no idea what Socialism and Communism are.

There's a meme going around that if the Democrats could control the weather, wouldn't they have sent the hurricane straight to Mar-a-Lago? I've heard that conspiracy also, though.

Sadly, the cult would probably rally behind him as Rambo.

Um, I'll choose the bear in the forest, if you don't mind.

Me too. (does anybody else run out of reactions every day on this board?)

I care about what happened 30, 40, and even 75 years ago, and it's important for people to understand history in order to lessen the chance that it will be repeated. A lot of what the middle class is going through now is a result of policies that were put into place in the 80s (income inequality, lack of investment in infrastructure, lack of exposure to different viewpoints on the media, etc), and a lot of these things have developed over decades. The more people who understand this, as opposed to thinking it's all because of the current President, the better off we'll be. It took us decades to get here, it won't be fixed overnight-especially if you vote for somebody who's going to expand the policies that caused it in the first place. And I'm aware that there are many who won't get the message. I'm hopeful that enough people can.

An apology might not be enough.... I believe there are a lot of people who feel that the campaign showed their true feelings, and I happen to agree with them.

I have never, and will never, vote for Stein-like I said, she used to be a positive force but something happened (and even if she hadn't changed, I still would have voted for Clinton in 2016). I do know people who got into her simply because she was and is an echo chamber that says that the system needs to be 'blown up,' whatever that means.

Jill Stein used to be involved in a lot of local issues in MA, working for environmental issues, worker safety issues, and access to healthcare. I met her once and she was very thoughtful and intelligent. Sadly, I'm pretty sure she and Kennedy Jr. were exposed to the same brain worm, and I wouldn't even think of voting for her now. And if this is what the Green Party now stands for, then I definitely can't support it, either.

Agreed. While I disagree with him on many issues, it's good to hear a Republican who sees the importance of maintaining infrastructure, as well as clean air and water.

I just hobbled to city hall, bum foot and all, to do my part. Before I elevate and ice it, I just want to make a request. There may be people who for some reason didn't mail in a vote, and who might have trouble getting to their polling place. If you can, please offer rides to people so that they can vote!

So far about half of the things I warned people would happen, that they told me I was being paranoid about, have actually happened. And yet, they are STILL calling me paranoid. "And then one day, they came for me" is sadly going to be the only thing that gets through to some people, and it'll be too late.