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1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Lots of guys finish strong in the minors and then can't sustain anything in the majors.  He is intriguing, but I am not ready to build my line-up around him!.  There was a lot of excitement about Baddoo and Meadows initially too. 

So you shuffle the lineup when he comes back to earth. In the meantime, use him getting on base to bat in front of Greene. Pretty simple unless you have a stubborn manager who refuses to look at results instead of "what may happen."

7 minutes ago, AZTigersfan said:

Do major busts hit 31 homers? I disagree, and think it’s hyperbole. There’s no denying he’s been awful this year but there’s data to suggest he can and likely will have a good productive career. Major bust are out of baseball in a few years or flounder around in the minors, look at a lot of our picks in the 90’s. 

He hit .230 with 170 strikeouts while hitting those 31 home runs? Those aren't inspiring stats.

11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I've started seeing that on MLB.tv, I couldn't be more thrilled, and I hope it never changes back to a rotation of the same four commercial spots running throughout the game.

I agree, it's much easier to ignore than some horrible jingle.

30 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

He actually has 37 AB's with men on versus 76 without...

Which is shocking to me... I didn't think he was anywhere near that ratio...

In the leadoff spot? If so, that does seem high.

1 minute ago, AZTigersfan said:

Some say availability is your best ability. I understand he’s been hurt, but that’s just it. He’s been out, not helping the team. Even when he’s been in he’s not played like a 1:1, which apparently is a thing here. I just find it interesting is all. I’m rooting for them both to live up to their potential but it’s quite apparent that others have made up their minds and are dug in as far as Tork goes. 

If Mize was doing as poorly as Tork, he would have a 6.9 ERA and walking every other hitter. He's fine, no reason to distract from the main issue...Tork is a major bust...😆

6 minutes ago, oblong said:

I just put the app on my smart TV and logged in. I have a Samsung. 

Cool. How do you like it? I get a lot of this every half inning;

I think most of us agree that Greene is pretty good at the game of baseball.

Just when you think you can get out, they drag you back in. 😆

3 minutes ago, AZTigersfan said:

So patience is subjective and not universal. Ok

 

Some people say it takes a year to come back from TJ surgery but several more months to be all the way back. I don't know if Mize had TJ surgery or not but he's doing much better at his job than Tork, who wasn't injured, is at his job.

It feels like 5-1 may as well be 100-1. Time for yardwork...

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

So let him bat 9th.

And let's see what happens.

Maybe he'll even wake up.

He certainly won't be doing any WORSE than any of our other 6-9th batters this year because... they've ALL been black holes this year.

So... it doesn't matter.

Might as well give it a shot, IMO.

I don't know. If he's not hitting home runs, he's useless. He's not out there for his defense or base running. He has one job, hit Tork bombs. If he doesn't hit, replace him. I don't care where he was drafted.

44 minutes ago, oblong said:

I ended up getting the Ballys app.  They have a 7 day trial and with any credit from xfinity that will offset. Hopefully they resolve their problem.  I’m having a tree taken down today so a good opportunity to chill and watch afternoon baseball. 

How are you watching Bally, on a PC? The FF doesn't work very well on my Roku...it jumps all the way to live when trying to FF thru commercials. I watch on my PC now and it works pretty good.

3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

This is exactly frickin' IT.

Best player, was Cabrera now it's Greene, bats THIRD in the lineup, with OBP guys in front of him.

No... it's NOT that complicated.

You won't catch me arguing with you. While Perez is hitting/getting on base, lead him off. If he cools down or teams get a book on him, move him down or sit him. But the Tigers aren't scoring runs and we're wasting hits from our best hitter. I think Hinch is just being stubborn, getting Riley an extra 3 at bats a week isn't going to help us score runs.

10 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Here's my crazy lineup, with crazy reasoning:

1. Canha - best on base guy to put in front of Greene.

2. Wenceel - Switch-hitter, second best on-base guy to put in front of Greene, AND he can avoid hitting into some DP's with his speed.

3. Greene - obviously

4/5th - Depending on pitcher: Lefties = Vierling, righties = Carpenter. 5th batter is the opposite guy.

6. Keith - challenge him.

7-8. whoever else plays, except:

9. Torkelson - this is actually a challenge for him as well as an elimination of pressure ("you're at the bottom so we don't care what you produce... just do your best..."). It's a demotion to the bottom which will be a huge ego-killer for him...

But the GOOD side of this challenge is that if he starts hitting like he's capable, and before there's a decision to move him back up in the lineup... Then he's getting ON-BASE at a much better clip (as he should be), AND that is in front of Canha-Perez-Greene... so he shouldn't feel totally lost or insulted in the 9th spot, if his bat becomes functional again. It actually extends the team offensively if he can find his bat again, from that spot. THAT's the challenge.

But the best Tork can do is hit .220 to .230. With a low OBP. He's one-dimensional. HR or bust. But it appears pitchers have the book on him, he chases too many bad pitches and takes too many hittable pitches. He's just not very good.

8 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I was not referring to you.  I don't ever remember anyone in particular.  I just remember people talking about him like he was a key piece in the bullpen.  Of course, they usually had bad bullpens when he was on the team.  

Yeah, it was always a weakness under DD. He spent and tried to build a decent BP but it never seemed to work out. Bullpen usage is one of the hardest things to do in today's game. I remember fans getting all over Leyland for his use of arms. Like, what was he supposed to do?

17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

No, he stunk at home and on the road:

5.55 home

5.15 away

People kept telling me he was good though!

I never said he was good. I used to really dislike seeing him come into the game. Also, I was pleased when we released him. I saw him this year and his ERA, at the time, was low. I was astonished. 

6 minutes ago, casimir said:

OK, boomer.

What I'm hearing you say is...hey, the Tigers scored a run. Everything is fine. 

1 minute ago, casimir said:

Greene LF, Perez CF, Canha RF, Carpenter DH, Vierling 3B.  These are the best bats right now.  I can see movement among this group from spot to spot.  I think saying 7 black holes is quite thoughtless, but that's just my opinion.

Keith 2B.  He's got a good approach right now.  The results aren't necessarily evident, at least the traditional stats.

Torkelson 1B, Baez SS, Catcher.  This group is what it is right now.

Even Vierling would be a better choice leading off. My idea is to have Greene hit with runners on base so the Tigers could possibly score more runs. The best hitter on the team should be hitting 3rd or 4th, not leading off.

3 minutes ago, casimir said:

He had a much deeper lineup to use.

What's your lineup, 1 through 9?  All your bitching and moaning about Greene leading off and the rest of the lineup, but you never suggest a "better" lineup.

I already did. Perez was on base last night. Canha was on base. Hit Perez 1st, Canha stays 2nd and Greene hits 3rd. Using your best hitter leadoff with 7 black holes in front of him means he'll never bat with RISP. But yeah, you're right, why bother changing anything? Our offense is fine. Yeah, sure...

Just now, casimir said:

So, one guy who might be the beneficiary of beginner's luck until the league gets a book on him?

How about the entire lineup?  It's not really that complicated?

Why didn't Jim Leyland use Cabrera as his leadoff hitter? He was the Tigers best hitter. Didn't he want to get him an extra 3 at bats per week? I don't care who they replace Greene with at the top of the order, he has 6 or 7 black holes in front of him. One hit from the bottom of the lineup and 10 runners left on base!! 

51 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

He's getting better with age.  He finally got his career ERA under 5.00

Didn't he have, like, a really good ERA away from Detroit and then stink at home when he pitched for the Tigers?

7 minutes ago, casimir said:

Alright, what should the lineup be?

Switch Perez and Greene. Let Greene hit with runners on base. Score runs. It's not really that complicated.

It sure would have been nice if Greene batted with guys on base. Getting 3 hits is pretty good, it would be better with runners in scoring position. No wonder the Tigers can't score any runs, our manager is either too stupid or too stubborn to fill out a lineup card.

Jackson Jobe to the injured list with a hamstring injury.

2 hours ago, RJBrez said:

Based on??  I know Stafford and the Rams loved what he brought to the room a few years ago. He’s a major reason they won that Super Bowl. 
 

I don’t think he would have been a fit in Detroit anyway, just curious why you said that. 

His antics on the sidelines. You're correct, he's not a good fit on a MCDC team. And it a bad sign when a "talented" player goes from team to team every season. It seems like teams would want to keep a WR who is supposed to be so good. Keep him, Miami is the perfect place for him.