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I think they’ll dog whistle the old Jewish tropes to try to skim off the marginals instead.

Trump would get slimed so relentless he would literally drown because he could not avoid breathing some in.

Wrong forum. 😉

I'll be impressed when they lose 28 in a row.

Is he is major leaguer right now? Does he play five positions? Because that's what we need to replace what McKinstry is doing. Ibanez can't take all those reps as well as his own, plus he's no good on the left side of the dirt, and McKinstry is.

I wasn't fingering you for bringing it up because you didn't. I just wanted to see what anyone thought the better option is, and the answer is, nobody. Unfortunately. McKinstry is the only guy on the team who can play a bunch of positions competently, and mop up on the mound when we're getting blown out, all with good defense, and as you alluded to, those guys don't grow on trees. He's a terrible stick but he's a good glove, which is why he is exactly at 0.0 WAR. We have guys who are hurt or sent back to the minors and someone needs to take those reps. Who's going to do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? If anyone knows someone else out there who can do even as well as McKinstry is, they should let Harris know, because believe me, he'd like to replace McKinstry with somebody better. Anybody would. And he will be replaced when the time comes. In the meantime, all we can do is shrug and wait for guys to come back and start hitting their weight, so he can grab bench more than he does.

lol no serious. Who?

We DFA McKinstry. Who replaces him?

As far switching up batting orders and moving players around different defensive positions and even managing bullpen usage is concerned—after all, much of what dictates who's going to pitch in a particular spot depends on the bullpen workload management plan, not who is the one guy we can depend on for an out in this situation, which is usually the same guy anyway—I agree managers have far less an effect on a team's ability to win than traditional fans give it credit for. Players generally have an established level of talent at a given moment, and no amount of managing is going to increase that talent in that moment. We're on the same page there. As far as managing players' psyches and emotions, helping them work through problems and fears and concerns, coaching them to be confident in and maximize their talents, and generally putting them in the best frame of mind so they can comfortably give their best efforts on the field, I think managers have a tremendous impact on a player's performance in that regard. Not talking about you here, but some people will never agree with this.

I acknowledge I came back breathing fire at you, because honestly, hearing multiple posters here suggesting, or even flat out saying, that Harris and Hinch want to lose and players don't give a shĭt is just getting really, really, really tiresome. So it was the accumulation of my frustration at reading too much of that, and you happened to step into my line of fire. So I apologize for that. In my defense, "it's just human reality that a competitor with no reasonable chance to compete can't give you his best" still reads and re-reads to me as though you are saying that are players are laying up on effort because they're not playing on a winner, and I reject that premise. As TD said, most of the players you see on the field are fighting for their professional lives at any given moment, so the idea of them not giving their best strikes me as career suicide, and who does that after all the work they put in to get there in the first place? Do at least some guys do that? I suppose, although if they were wont to do so, they probably would have been found out and weeded out in the minors, if not before. But I do not think it's common at all.

Not at all! It's called Southern League: A True Story of Baseball, Civil Rights, and the Deep South's Most Compelling Pennant Race by Larry Colton. https://www.amazon.com/Southern-League-Baseball-Compelling-Pennant/dp/1455511889

Dirks is definitely keying off the PxP guy. I think most color guys are like that anyway. Even Craig Monroe was better when he was on with Dan because Dan didn’t feed his worst instincts like Benetti did. By the way, i have to give props to Bobby Scales’s work last night. He seemed loose and informative most fo the broadcast with Dan, especially when they took a 30,000-foot view of the Tigers’ general situation, which happened a lot during last night’s broadcast.

I simply can’t envision major league players—especially marginal major leaguers who have left everything on the field for years as kids and young adults to become a Major League Baseball player, someone who is a 1-for-26 streak, or four straight bad outings on the mound, from literally seeing their careers end—just saying **** it all and start ****ing around on the field like they don’t care just because of a few deadline trades by the team they’re on that already wasn’t going to make the playoffs before anyway. These aren’t 9-to-5 office jobs you can Dilbert your way out of because there’s always a dozen other jobs around the corner you can get when they ****can you. This is the top of one of the most prestigious and rarely-attained professions in the world. And that’s what I mean by “come on”. I also can’t envision an established player with money and future years discarding all vestiges of his professionalism by ****ing around on the field like he doesn’t care anymore, because that would result in a huge reputational hit among other organizations he might hope to continue his career with, as well as with his peers whose respect he values more than just about anything else. That also does not pass any reasonable smell test. When I hear ideas such as that being expressed, it sounds to me like nothing more than a frustrated fan just whinging.

I’d been on the fence about Carpenter, although I started warming up to the idea he might be good for a few years. Not sure how his back injury will affect his hitting going forward, but we’ll see. Even give three primary bats, will a couple secondary bats be enough to turn this team as otherwise currently-constructed into a playoff contender? I don’t know, maybe. Some in-house options would have to take a substantial step forward at the plate, not the least of which would be Tork, but also, Meadows and Dingler. I think the typical playoff team needs at least six above average bats (let’s say at least 105 wRC+) regularly in the lineup, and a couple more on the bench. We won’t get that from the top of the free agency pool, because they won’t come to Detroit next year, so it would have to be someone in the bottom of the pool we can flip into an above average hitter, or a trade from the system which, given our lack of depth there, would have to come from the bone, and I don’t know who that would be.

Also, without looking it up, if I remember correctly, there were two broadcasts of this game, it being a playoff game and all. One was the local broadcast you posted with George Kell and Larry Osterman that ran on channel 2, their local affiliate; the other was the national broadcast running on channel 4 (“WWJ-TV, the Detroit News”), called by, I assume, Curt Gowdy and Tony Kubek.

I’ve been reading a book from a few years ago about the 1964 Birmingham Barons. Campy was on that team, and if the book is to be believed, he was a hothead.

Kim Jong Trump.

Stop, you’re killing me!

I think this is kind of a smart move on Trump’s part, because if Kamala simply refuses, people won’t remember him welshing on the original agreement. They will remember her “chickening out”, or whatever description they apply to it. I think the Democrats need to thread a needle figuring out how to not accept this and for that to also reflect badly on Trump. Since we can’t always predict t the crowd, maybe it is as simple as saying Trump is the chicken, but they do have a point that he agreed to debate Biden under those terms and not Harris, so maybe the crowd will agree with that. We can’t know for sure, but navigating this might be a bit trickier than partisans might give it credit for.

When I see statements like this, I just don’t understand how people can forget that Hillary beat Trump by three million votes. Far more people wanted Hillary to be president than Trump. She won at the polls by 48-46, which is a substantial beating in a country as big as ours. The problem was the ****ing Electoral College, and Hillary committed a strategic error by not giving it the attention that needed. That was a mistake, but that did not make her a horrible candidate, which is the most common adjective I see people apply to her, and which makes me wonder whether not a little sexism is embedded in that criticism. It’s all water under the bridge because here we all are now, but when can we retire the idea that Trump beat her to a bloody pulp? Because he didn’t. She outdrew him. He won by TKO.

Showing off his cruelty cried to the Big Guy.

And that’s going to stop who from doing so? They can simply hammer that message on the fear of the coming unknown. I won’t lie, it makes me a bit nervous.

OK, I've been threatening to do this for a few days, notably here and here, but I just came up with another post that doesn't comfortably fit anywhere, so I'm starting a new thread. This thread for any random factoid, story, joke, poem, and assorted sundry detritus. That's the intent, anyway. The posts don't have to be about the Tigers, necessarily, but any of them could be. This first post is. Some or most of you guys may already know this, but the Detroit Tigers franchise were not founded in 1901. They were founded in 1895 and first played in the minor league Western League, which continued under that name through 1899. It was a league that looked a lot like the future American Association, with teams like the Minneapolis Millers, St. Paul Saints, Kansas City Blues, and the like. In 1900 they changed their name to the American League, still a minor league, and picked up the Chicago White Stockings and the Cleveland Lake Shores. The American League then declared war on the National League and forced their way into becoming a major league, rounding out into the eight-team configuration they would continue with unabated until 1954. The Tigers are one of two teams that started with the 1895 WL, the other being the Milwaukee Brewers, who made their way to St. Louis in 1902 before landing in Balitmore in that 1954 season. That means our Tigers are the one continuing franchise in the American League that has retained their city and identity the entire time. I'm kinda proud of that.

Then there is this. My stomach can't take actually watching the video.

https://x.com/KellDA/status/1819153902153224253I have to admit my stomach did a flip flop when I heard about today's number, and my post in this specific forum is a hint as to why.