05/02/2026 7:15p EDT Texas Rangers at Detroit Tigers

[casimir]

[casimir]

Might as well win this one for the viewership on the national scale. 

[chasfh]

19 minutes ago, casimir said:

From the moment this guy came up, you could tell from the way he torqued his body during his delivery that he was an injury away from ending his career. That said, he did get a couple really good years out of his body.

Edited 10 hours ago by chasfh

[IdahoBert]

Montero on FOX and it will be kind of cold. I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

From the moment this guy came up, you could tell from the way he torqued his body during his delivery that he was an injury away from ending his career. That said, he did get a couple really good years out of his body.

I still hate that trade.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

I still hate that hat.

[casimir]

48 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

I still hate that hat.

I hate the current orange bill one.  If they want an alternate lid to go with the alternate shirts, bring back this one:

That orange D with the white outline on the navy body with the navy lid is dope.

Edited 6 hours ago by casimir

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, casimir said:

I still hate that trade.

I was more annoyed at losing Kapler and Catalonotto, but yeah we got fleeced hard

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I was more annoyed at losing Kapler and Catalonotto, but yeah we got fleeced hard

Frank was the one I rued letting go, although it's well known that Francisco Cordero was certainly the best piece we let go.

But what's little noted nor long remembered from that trade—the biggest swing and miss by the Tigers on it—was that the best subsequent career anyone in the trade ended up having was Gregg Zaun, whom we shipped off to the Royals before he ever stepped on the field for us, and who had five solid years with the Jays during the mid-2000s.

Lemondae out of lemons, though: had we kept Zaun through all those years, we may never have signed Pudge Rodriguez befpore the 2004 season.

Here's Claude's overview of the trade:

The Trade — November 2, 1999

Detroit sent to Texas: Francisco Cordero, Bill Haselman, Gabe Kapler, Justin Thompson, Frank Catalanotto, Alan Webb (minors) Texas sent to Detroit: Juan González, Danny Patterson, Gregg Zaun

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WAR Delivered Directly to Each Trade Partner

Detroit received (WAR accrued while on DET):

Player	DET WAR	Seasons
Juan González	1.7	2000 only
Danny Patterson	1.3	2000–2004
Gregg Zaun	0.0	Never played for DET
Total	3.0

Texas received (WAR accrued while on TEX):

Player	TEX WAR	Seasons
Francisco Cordero	7.9	2000–2006
Frank Catalanotto	5.5	2000–2002, 2007–2008
Gabe Kapler	1.5	2000–2002
Bill Haselman	1.2	2000–2002
Justin Thompson	-0.2	2005 only
Total	16.0

Texas won the direct exchange by more than 5-to-1 (16.0 WAR vs. 3.0). Zaun — arguably Detroit's best return — never wore a Tigers uniform; he went straight to Kansas City.

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Total Post-Trade Career WAR by Player (All Teams)

Detroit's haul:

Player	Total WAR	Teams
Gregg Zaun	14.0	KCR, HOU, COL, TOR, BAL, TBR, MIL
Juan González	8.0	DET, CLE, TEX, KCR
Danny Patterson	1.3	DET
Total	23.2

Texas's haul:

Player	Total WAR	Teams
Francisco Cordero	12.3	TEX, MIL, CIN, TOR, HOU
Frank Catalanotto	11.4	TEX, TOR, MIL, NYM
Gabe Kapler	3.7	TEX, COL, BOS, MIL, TBR
Bill Haselman	1.1	TEX, BOS
Justin Thompson	-0.2	TEX
Total	28.4

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WAR That Flowed to Third Parties

From Detroit's players:

Player	Team	WAR
Gregg Zaun	KCR	1.9
Gregg Zaun	HOU	-1.1
Gregg Zaun	COL	0.1
Gregg Zaun	TOR	8.1
Gregg Zaun	BAL	2.4
Gregg Zaun	TBR	1.2
Gregg Zaun	MIL	1.3
Juan González	CLE	4.3
Juan González	TEX	2.4
Juan González	KCR	-0.5

From Texas's players:

Player	Team	WAR
Frank Catalanotto	TOR	6.1
Frank Catalanotto	MIL	0.1
Frank Catalanotto	NYM	-0.3
Francisco Cordero	MIL	2.8
Francisco Cordero	CIN	2.4
Francisco Cordero	TOR	-0.5
Francisco Cordero	HOU	-0.4
Gabe Kapler	COL	-0.5
Gabe Kapler	BOS	0.7
Gabe Kapler	MIL	1.7
Gabe Kapler	TBR	0.3
Bill Haselman	BOS	-0.1

The single biggest beneficiary of this entire trade was Toronto, which collected 8.1 WAR from Zaun (2004–2008) and 6.1 WAR from Catalanotto (2003–2006) — 14.2 WAR total, more than either trade partner received directly. Cleveland's haul of González (4.3 WAR in 2001 alone) was more than Detroit ever got from him.

 

[IdahoBert]

I just realized because this is on FOX I won’t be able to watch it because I live “Out West“ where everybody and I mean everybody on earth simply love love love love love loves the Los Angeles Dodgers. Not.

Fortunately, I have a social function tonight that precludes following this game very closely anyway so good luck to you all.

[IdahoBert]

McGonigle SS
Torres 2B
Keith 3B
Greene, R LF
Dingler C
Carpenter RF
Torkelson 1B
Pérez, W CF
Jung, Ja DH

[casimir]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

Frank was the one I rued letting go, although it's well known that Francisco Cordero was certainly the best piece we let go.

But what's little noted nor long remembered from that trade—the biggest swing and miss by the Tigers on it—was that the best subsequent career anyone in the trade ended up having was Gregg Zaun, whom we shipped off to the Royals before he ever stepped on the field for us, and who had five solid years with the Jays during the mid-2000s.

Lemondae out of lemons, though: had we kept Zaun through all those years, we may never have signed Pudge Rodriguez befpore the 2004 season.

Here's Claude's overview of the trade:

The Trade — November 2, 1999

Detroit sent to Texas: Francisco Cordero, Bill Haselman, Gabe Kapler, Justin Thompson, Frank Catalanotto, Alan Webb (minors) Texas sent to Detroit: Juan González, Danny Patterson, Gregg Zaun

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WAR Delivered Directly to Each Trade Partner

Detroit received (WAR accrued while on DET):

Player	DET WAR	Seasons
Juan González	1.7	2000 only
Danny Patterson	1.3	2000–2004
Gregg Zaun	0.0	Never played for DET
Total	3.0

Texas received (WAR accrued while on TEX):

Player	TEX WAR	Seasons
Francisco Cordero	7.9	2000–2006
Frank Catalanotto	5.5	2000–2002, 2007–2008
Gabe Kapler	1.5	2000–2002
Bill Haselman	1.2	2000–2002
Justin Thompson	-0.2	2005 only
Total	16.0

Texas won the direct exchange by more than 5-to-1 (16.0 WAR vs. 3.0). Zaun — arguably Detroit's best return — never wore a Tigers uniform; he went straight to Kansas City.

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Total Post-Trade Career WAR by Player (All Teams)

Detroit's haul:

Player	Total WAR	Teams
Gregg Zaun	14.0	KCR, HOU, COL, TOR, BAL, TBR, MIL
Juan González	8.0	DET, CLE, TEX, KCR
Danny Patterson	1.3	DET
Total	23.2

Texas's haul:

Player	Total WAR	Teams
Francisco Cordero	12.3	TEX, MIL, CIN, TOR, HOU
Frank Catalanotto	11.4	TEX, TOR, MIL, NYM
Gabe Kapler	3.7	TEX, COL, BOS, MIL, TBR
Bill Haselman	1.1	TEX, BOS
Justin Thompson	-0.2	TEX
Total	28.4

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WAR That Flowed to Third Parties

From Detroit's players:

Player	Team	WAR
Gregg Zaun	KCR	1.9
Gregg Zaun	HOU	-1.1
Gregg Zaun	COL	0.1
Gregg Zaun	TOR	8.1
Gregg Zaun	BAL	2.4
Gregg Zaun	TBR	1.2
Gregg Zaun	MIL	1.3
Juan González	CLE	4.3
Juan González	TEX	2.4
Juan González	KCR	-0.5

From Texas's players:

Player	Team	WAR
Frank Catalanotto	TOR	6.1
Frank Catalanotto	MIL	0.1
Frank Catalanotto	NYM	-0.3
Francisco Cordero	MIL	2.8
Francisco Cordero	CIN	2.4
Francisco Cordero	TOR	-0.5
Francisco Cordero	HOU	-0.4
Gabe Kapler	COL	-0.5
Gabe Kapler	BOS	0.7
Gabe Kapler	MIL	1.7
Gabe Kapler	TBR	0.3
Bill Haselman	BOS	-0.1

The single biggest beneficiary of this entire trade was Toronto, which collected 8.1 WAR from Zaun (2004–2008) and 6.1 WAR from Catalanotto (2003–2006) — 14.2 WAR total, more than either trade partner received directly. Cleveland's haul of González (4.3 WAR in 2001 alone) was more than Detroit ever got from him.

 

Haha, wanna resurrect the debate about Easley & Catalanotto vs Cruz & Easley as the better keystone combo?

[casimir]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

McGonigle SS
Torres 2B
Keith 3B
Greene, R LF
Dingler C
Carpenter RF
Torkelson 1B
Pérez, W CF
Jung, Ja DH

I hate the DH batting last.