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TORK BOMB

Yeah I was being facetious about Woodruff. However, from where I sit, if you as a GM can’t get more than a comp pick in value for a stretch run of Tarik Skubal, then you should be canned. Even if you get a prospect package but you want something a little different—you have those assets to then make another move with. You also probably are going to be waiting a minimum of 2 years before that comp pick is in Detroit—and that’s if you hit another slam dunk like McGonigle. More than likely the pick won’t pan out at all. i understand the idea of keeping Skubal for a shot at it and having the comp pick as a consolation prize….but anything other than a title and it’s a massive missed opportunity. I don’t want to sound pessimistic but when we are talking about winning 12 games in a row to be in first place at the deadline and acting like the bullpen is going to do a u-turn and Tork/Keith/Vierling/McKinstry are gonna figure it out and pitchers wont counter adjust to Lee and we won’t have anymore injuries….it sounds like an Angels in the Outfield storyline. Cash out on Skubal as long as you can turn a good profit back. If there’s nothing being offered for him, then keep him I guess. You’re not gonna convince me that the Dodgers won’t want him to prevent him from going to a competitor, and that teams desperate for a WS won’t give up good value to run Schlittler/Skubal or Misiorowski/Skubal all playoffs.

You’re also forgetting Javy

The ones that do pitch more to contact and are more likely to get hit hard in a given outing

And just like that, Brandon Woodruff is going on the shelf. Sell them Skubal for their entire farm system

They could try to swing something like: Dodgers get Skubal and Gleyber Torres and cash Twins get: DePaula, River Ryan, Jordan Yost, Jace Jung Tigers get: Joe Ryan and Mike Sirota obviously that’s a super rough draft and probably not even—but that’s an example of how you can trade Skubal and still look to compete this year and in the future. Tigers get a strong pitcher to keep them in the hunt who is controllable through next year (and gives them a piece to trade next deadline if it comes to that), and a young RH RF bat who can get on base at the top of the order with Clark and McGonigle. Dodgers prevent Skubal from going to an opponent, give up prospects they don’t have room for, and get a 2B option that they kind of need. We send them some money for salary relief. Twins get an influx of good prospects to rebuild around since it looks like that’s where they’re going to have to head anyway and they probably won’t get that much of a return for just Ryan alone.

Why does trading Skubal have to equal us punting the season? It’s not like we’ve been winning all the games he has been starting this year? We still have to score runs for him and GASP hold the lead when we have it. Theres a lot of things you can do with a Skubal trade to both help the team currently and in the future. Just because I’m on team trade Skubal doesn’t mean I’m on team tank. The value for Skubal can go through the roof if we play our cards right and play the right teams against each other. The risk of getting prospects back in a trade is probably less than assuming we will get someone in the supplemental round of the draft.

Very. To be fair, I love Skubal and do t want to “get rid of him”, I just want to capitalize on the opportunity I see with these circumstances. I also don’t think signing him to a long deal is a good idea even if he’s very open to that. I don’t think this team/org is too far away from running the division for most of the next decade, but we need the return a Skubal trade can get us to expedite it. A RF and/or 1B upgrade, moving Clark to CF ahead of McGonigle in the lineup, and a rebuilt bullpen are the things holding us back. I’m not especially worried about our starting pitching beyond actual depth—which a trade could also help address. I think we re-sign Mize though. The ways to get the pieces we need from places other than the draft are going to be significantly more challenging after this trade deadline for a variety of reasons. Yeah, we could magically get hot and make the playoffs and win the World Series….but so could about 12 other teams. I’d rather try to structure a team that doesn’t need to go on runs all the time to be relevant and have one that will be a staple of the post-season.

I still would—but I’m building a three team deal that brings us back pitching help and a good offensive prospect.

They took a break from talking about the NFL and WNBA?

Still should trade Skubal

Do they tend to defer money to them in future years over the life of their rookie deals?

Just when we need to be hitting our stride and making up ground before the trade deadline…..we get the dreaded west coast trip.

I want Clark hitting in front of McGonigle for the future though.

No

Jahmai Jones, you are a Boston Red Stocking. Watch him turn into RH David Ortiz now

I’m still team Trade Skubal

If we did trade them we would almost certainly be taking on some other teams problem(s) in return.

Depends on what they do. Personally I think this season isn’t worth buying into just because of the bullpen. I’d rather get something for Skubal regardless. Between the CBA needing to be settled and our lack of expiring deals to use in trades next year—this is our opportunity to capitalize on adding some depth and talent

I like the guy, but he’s not a winning player. We need to move on.

I still say sell Skubal. Feel free to sell Skubal for future pieces and then also buy to continue to compete this year, but don’t lose Skubal for nothing. Do something creative like trade Skubal and Gleyber to the Dodgers, have the Dodgers send a package of good prospects to the Twins, and then we acquire a Dodgers OF prospect and Joe Ryan.

Jim didn’t sugar coat things much, which I appreciated.

Dempsey has 3,000 rpm on pitches?

Not where I thought we’d go but intriguing prospect. Glad it’s not another high school LH SS

Remember the week we all thought Nick Maton was a good addition?