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34 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Well, the objective of the league was to discourage tanking and it seems like that objective is being reached. 

I always laugh at the concept of "tanking" anyway. Yes, these bad teams do tend to load management more towards the end of a lost season but for the most part, these teams are just bad. Rebuilds, building with primarily young players, was always a thing and will always lead to teams being bad for a couple of years. Now, the Pistons have taken bad to another level with a 4+ year rebuild but it doesn't mean they're intentionally tanking, they just suck.

there was some pretty hard tanking going on.  washington, charlotte, detroit.  and if anything "cured" widespread tanking this year it was the weak draft class.  last year there was beaucoup tanking for wemby.

also, i would argue the expansion of the playoffs did more to incentivize teams to spend for marginal wins than the flattening of the lottery.

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

I think that started because Victor said Young was intriguing. 

 

cant wait for us to trade all our available first rounders for him.

matt ryan was a really good qb.  if jared goff is a poor man's matt ryan, that's not a horrible thing.

that said, goff's last two years have been pretty "matt ryan"-ish.  based on that i wouldnt say goff is a "poor man's" matt ryan, he is a typical matt ryan.  now he needs to have a matt ryan 2016 season.

11 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

Bad for him. 

Also bad for us. Many mocks had him going to SAN. With him off the board that basically means we now have the #6 pick. 

In other news, Reed Sheppard just logged the largest Max Vertical (42”) in the combine. Even if he alligator-armed it to get a few extra inches, it’s still pretty impressive. I sneaky wanted him if we didn’t land Sarr, but it’s looking more and more like he won’t last to #5. Most likely Houston will get yet another player I wanted. 

wasnt there a rumor san antonio were going to trade that pick (plus other picks) for trae young?  that rumor makes no sense to me as trae seems like the opposite of what the spurs look for in a player.  he's selfish, shoots first, never passes within the offense, and he plays no defense.

the devil is in the details.

some people just arent built for school.  and bronny is a multi millionaire whether he makes it or not.

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Not saying the draft isn't important.  Just saying it isn't the be-all and end-all that people think it is.  Sam Presti would have two fistfuls of rings if the draft was everything.  Nobody does it as good as he does .  

I do agree it is your best shot at landing a star.  Especially for a team in a not so attractive location.  

agree about presti as the best or one of the best.  weaver shows that just pulling someone from a successful organization doesnt mean they will also be successful.  if you cant pull presti, best to leave okc org alone.

my biggest gripe with this lottery stuff is just how unfair its been to detroit while its been overwhelmingly "fair" to teams like cleveland or san antonio or houston.

yes, its incumbent on detroit to draft and develop better, but the unfairness of the system has made their ability to do that much more difficult.

and with tom gores as owner, it needs to be at the "so easy that even an idiot can do it" level or were going to be here in purgatory forever.

31 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

I want to win so  bad I would even accept a Duke alumni.

Detroit Pistons’ president of basketball operations search: The latest we’re hearing

 

why would they be interested in anyone from chicago?  that organization is the epitome of nba purgatory.

also read today that portland's gm turned down the opportunity to meet for the job.  if true - and there is no way to say it is or isnt true - that says a lot about how the job is perceived in the industry.

we all know how bad the pistons management has been.  its the worst.  tom gores may be the worst owner the nba has seen post-sterling/michael jordan.  but the bottom line is that they have been very unlucky in the draft lottery.  and if they had a normal amount of luck, they would now be a better team with a much brighter future.

dropping out of the #1 spot to 5th for 3 years out of four is unlucky and, quite frankly, unfair.  its a bad system.

the nhl also had an unfair system that screwed detroit multiple times.  the nhl changed it just as the wings got good enough where it would have helped them.  i expect a similar thing from the nba eventually.

if you had a system of ping pong balls that correlated to prior lottery successes (i.e.: if you won the lottery the previous seasons you get less balls, and if you were bad and didnt win previously you get more balls) then it would even out.  this system is unneccesarily punitive to teams that are rebuilding and are just bad.

the point is to distribute the best talent to the most struggling teams and this version does a poor job at doing that.

13 hours ago, Deleterious said:

People put a little too much stock in the draft.

Look at the Timberwolves rotation tonight.  8 deep and they drafted exactly two of those players.  Everyone else was acquired via trade or free agency.  

yeah, but the twolves have two #1 picks on that team.  edwards has turned out to be an all.nba talented player.

we all dis KAT because he's a pussy who chokes in the playoffs, but in the regular season he's a monster.  

you cant discount how important those two players are to a rebuilding team.  getting #1 twice helped them immensely.  

once you have your stars in place, you go make trades to bring in the final pieces.  that's what minny has done.

and lets be honest, they may be about to be bounced in 6 games now that denver is awake.  and the only reason they are still in it is because their #1 OVERALL DRAFT PICK is shining.

59 minutes ago, casimir said:

The lottery is what it is.  This franchise isn't an abhorrent mess because of ping pong balls or frozen envelopes or tin foil hats.  This franchise is a complete dumpster fire because its front office is only two qualified clowns short of a circus.

with good ping ping balls it doesnt matter how bad your management is.  this is the nba.  talent wins.

3 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Sam Vecenie has Clingan #5 on his big board.  Givony has Matas Buzelis going to the Pistons in his post lottery mock.  Sam has him #6.

Before you rush to look up Matas Buzelis stats.  He shot 27% from three last year.  

kilian hayes 2.0.  not sure why sam likes him.

the real interesting news is that the pistons have already been awarded the 5th pick in the 2025 nba draft.  

20 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

lol 5th

bwaaahaaahaaahaa

this would be really upsetting if there was anyone worth drafting high this year.

between the pistons and the red wings, detroit teams must have dropped more spots in the lottery than any other city's teams.

4 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Play in team gets number 1.

 

Team that has had the word record over a three year span hasn't picked higher than 5.

 

I mean it's not like winning this lottery would have been all the great, but this is why many casual pistons have ditched the nba. Are terrible and there is no hope whatsoever of getting better. At least when the Lions and tigers sucked they picked high.

it is a really terrible, terrible system.

8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

LOL - this should be bookmarked as a future 'most likely outcome'.

What I really love is the juxtaposition within a single season of suspending the National Championship program's coach for getting advanced scouting from one guy buying single tickets for friends with iPhones because advanced scouting is so expensive that we have to outlaw it or we can't maintain a level playing field, and  --Oh, by the way - remember you need to raise an 8 figure sum to pay your players next year or we will probably re-organize our conference without you.

dont forget the suspension for buying a kid a cheeseburger and not keeping the receipt.

cant wait until there is a salary cap and big boosters can go back to paying kids under the table again.

these guys are just glorified used car salesman or plaintiff attorneys.  the chutzpah it takes to lie like that is just amazing.  and self righteous to boot.

every time divencenzo does well it makes me hate troy weaver even more.

joe harris!!!!🤢

4 hours ago, Deleterious said:

I get there are only a few NBA coaching jobs.  But man, that one is not attractive at all.  I guess one upside is Spo wont make him look like an idiot until the finals.

 

people will do a lot of things for ~$10 million per year.

williams could be another khalif raymond, which would be great for a udfa.

lol.  have fun with the corpse of bradley beal.

kat is probably the best player we can get for our cap space.  and he would work nicely with cade.  cade seems to have that "give me the ball in the 4th quarter" mentality that kat lacks.

kat seems like chris webber.  a better #2 than #1 but immensely talented.

i still think minny will get better offers but if its ONLY cap space maybe we have a chance.  other teams might be able to free some space up in complicated deals.

20 hours ago, Deleterious said:

The Athletic said the police are investigating the Pat Bev incident.

nba gave him 4 games.

will likely be appealed to 2.  oh david stern, how i miss thee.

the most likely scenario if weaver remains in charge is we overpay tobias harris and trade way too much for jeramie grant.

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