buddha

take.  the.  points.

24 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

also - they noted the other night that Casper was leading the team in hits - I can understand the young guy trying to prove himself to his coach and team mates that way, especially if the points weren't coming easy, but I wonder if it became a bit of a trap for him. Probably not what he should have been spending so much of his focus on. 

its Kasper with a K.  even though he hasnt been scoring, he's not a ghost.  😉

no surprise that kasper starts getting on the scoresheet more when he's back with raymond and larkin for a lot of the time.

Gibson is 17-2 since december started.  vezina type work.

I'm more worried about buffalo than montreal.

38 minutes ago, casimir said:

Who’s your educational establishment linked minor league pro team of choice?

biff prefers whatever educational establishment is playing michigan.

he's become really annoying.  it will be real fun when he goes to the knicks/heat/lakers next season.

vegas puts up 6 on toronto.

marner with a quiet night, not on the scoresheet.  it was a big game for toronto so leafs fans should have expected that.

Indiana goes into OKC and beats the thunder.

Dabo Swinney ripping other teams for cheating and tampering with players will forever be hilarious.

the lack of shame and ability to bald faced lie is amazing.

you'll be able to fill a small, outdoor swimming pool with del's tears if the pistons trade for lauri markannen or anthony davis.

22 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Whitaker was better than Kent.  Kent hit a liitle better, but Whitaker's superior fielding more than made up for it. 

Sandberg was better, but Whitaker lasted longer.  

Grich was slighly better for a short period, but Whitaker had more good years.  Grich missed more time to injuries.  

Utley was better, but Whitaker had more good years.  

I'd put them all in expect maybe Kent.  I've always had Kent on the bubble.  

You talk about the end of Whitaker's career like it was nothing.  He hit a lot better than most platoon players and it wasn't a strict platoon.  He accumulated enough plate appearances to get 4.7, 4.1, 2.5, 1.5 WAR from age 35 to 38.  Lots of great hitters can't do what he did in the end.  He also could still handle middle infield capably up until age 37 which is rare.  His consistency and endurance was pretty special and I'm not just saying that as a fan boy. 

kent's peak was better than whitaker.  he slugged over .500 for like 8 years in a row (after he started juicing and batting behind bonds).  kent hit home runs and voters notoce that kind of thing.

i dont downplay whitaker's end of career, i just noted that he was much more of a platoon player at that point in his career.

look, i think he should be in the hall, but i understand why he isnt: low peak, low media attention, out of the game after his career, played in a minor media market, overshadowed by bigger personalities on his team.

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

 Meanwhile in -9C/15F conditions: 

 

its -45 here in chicago today with the wind chill.

"one of the most iconic nights in nba history"?

gtfo.

lets wait until he has no value, THEN trade him!  is troy weaver still doing asset management for this team?  

its a BS clickbait report.  of course detroit will listen to offers for ivey.  duh.

getting one point in a game that should have been a schedule loss is a pretty good outcome.

minny is the third best team in the west, they were playing at home, and the wings were on a road back to back after a big divisional game in toronto.  AND they didnt have edvinsson.

it was a good point to get.

finnie played 8 minutes tonight.  a trip to GR in his future?

so far tonight, boston is beating vegas, colombus is beating dallas, pittsburgh is beating edmonton, and florida is beating winnipeg because NO ONE IN THE EAST EVER LOSES.

sam vecinie!   STOP SAYING ANTHONY DAVIS IS A FIT FOR THE PISTONS!  STOP IT!

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

something seems weird. Maybe Ivey was one of those guys who was doomed to outgrow his pre-adult quickness when he got to his twenties, because a broken fibula is not an injury that should create that kind of deficit - unless there was more to it.

he had multiple leg injuries, that's what happened.

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

Non-joking, I'd rather do a package of picks and a different prospect than give up Danielson in a Thomas trade.  I honestly have no idea what Thomas' value is on the trade market.  He's an intriguing piece at his age and contract and I think he'd be a great addition to the Wings. 

Top 10 protected first round pick, second round pick (or two), maybe a future first with top 5 protection? Maybe you can entice them with Plante's great season so far?  Feels like it would need to be more than Vegas got for Hertl but maybe I'm wrong?

i dont think picks alone get it done.  he's 26 and a top line center.

i bet they want at least danielson/kasper and a first rounder.  and i bet if detroit balked, someone else would beat it.  like minnesota.

thomas was - up until this season - a true #1 guy.  like with hughes, those dont grow on trees.  unlike hughes, he's signed to a contract that will be extremely reasonable as he goes through his prime.  and at louis doesnt have to deal him because of that.  you'll have to blow them away.

in the end, its likely too rich for yzerman's blood.  its not his MO to do something like that, especially since this team doesnt seem to be "one piece away."

42 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Lou was a a compiler, but he was the best compiler in the history of the game!  Seriously, 17 years with an OPS over 100 for a middle infielder without ever having without ever having an MVP type season.  Nobody else has done that.  

would you rather have grich or whitaker?

whitaker or sandberg?

whitaker or utley?

whitaker or kent?

or would you consider them all equal?  whitaker had a nice end to his career after he became largely a platoon player.

trammell got hurt by being compares to the ripken's, yount's, and then arod's of the world.  whitaker gets hurt by the rise of the bigger second baseman (even though it used to be a hitter position back in day).

but ultimately, he was "good/very good" for a long time.  but never great.  

What would you trade for robert thomas?

danielson, buium, first and a third?

at this point they will probably re-up ivey after the season because he will be really cheap to re-sign.

its why bobby grich isnt in.  voters tend to go with narrative and counting stats and peak value over guys who were consistently "very good" over their whole careers.

why is jack morris in the hall of fame and dave steib isnt?  or mark beuhrle?  narrative.  big game performances on the biggest stage.  not a steady accumulation of stats over a long period. 

whitaker gets in if there's a massive movement publicly to do it.  his peers have rejected him multiple times, they just dont consider him a star.

i like lou.  i want lou in, but he's still borderline for me because i'm more of a peak voter than a "compiler" voter.

6 hours ago, oblong said:

Whitaker did win the GG and Silver Slugger 3 years in a row.  His top 3 similar batters on BR are in the HOF, as are 6 of the 10.   The HOF is what the voters make of it and if a guy is better than others that are in there, and more importantly are still getting in there, he should make it.  There's no definitive standard.  Lou has a better case than Tram did.  

his HOF "political stats" are low.  his peak wasnt that high, he didnt win an mvp or ever finish in the top 10 voting, 3 gg's are not high profile and trammell has more, he didnt win any awards in the playoffs, he dropped out of the game after retiring, he is probably best known to most reporters as the guy who forgot his jersey for the all star game.

people dont remember lou whitaker.  trammell had a higher peak, was in the game after retirement, played short stop, was a top 10 mvp candidate 3 times, six time all star, was second in mvp in 87, was a world series mvp.

that **** matters in who gets into the hall of fame.  its why morris and trammell are in.  its why whitaker isnt.