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who is larkin going to blame this year?

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

On livestream, Jaden Ivey says he had suicidal thoughts after breaking his leg

Did the Pistons think Jesus had healed him?

At this point it isn't even about basketball anymore.  I hope he can get some help.

stuff coming out now is just weird.  the bulls were likely to make him a QO before this.  so he cost himself at least $10m.

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

I can't be too hard on the Mantha trade because I thought it was great value at the time. And also because Vrana (just turned 25 when acquired) is the type of guy I was fine with Yzerman picking up, a potential diamond in the rough in his mid-20s who potentially could flourish with a new organization. Like Fabbri (24 when acquired) and Nedeljkovic (25 when acquired). Problem is none of them panned out. 

if cossa works out, the trade is a plus.

9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

didn’t the Spurs go from 1st to worst when they lost Robinson? I think that was a default assumption of what might happen when Cade went down. 

its because monty williams was on that sours team...  🙂

37 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

The Mantha trade has not worked out. If there is a culture problem in Detroit, the explanation for it runs through the question of why both Mantha and apparently Soderblom are flourishing in Pittsburgh when we couldn’t get rid of them fast enough. 

mantha trade will depend on cossa, i think.  early returns on the trade are negative.

i think sidney crosby and evgeni malkin make a lot of players better.  including mantha and chinakov.

larkin made kasper a lot better last year.  then they decided kasper had to be a center and he went right back to underperformance (given his draft position).  in the brief times he has returned to line one this season, the production has not followed.

the grand rapids success has been built off veteran AAAA players, not prospect success.  

all the things the "prospect gurus" said about danielson and kasper (good, solid players who are more likely to end up as low second, high third line players) appears to be true.  asp is too small.  lombardi is too small.  mazur is too small.  mbn is too slow.  tuomisto cant skate.  wallinder doesnt play with size.  

the wings "have a type."  hard working, responsible players.  no more mantha's and athanasiou's for detroit.  well....they have worked their way to being in the bottom of the middle of the league.  theyre in the worst possible position: not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to get a star.

they may be in the worst position in the entire league.

i think jason is right that detroit was in a bad spot when yzerman got here.  i think yzerman is on the seider/raymond timeline, not the larkin timeline.  but its been 7 years now and you STILL cant find a defense prospect to replace ben chairot?  how many drafts do you need?

if johansson v.2 hits, genborg hits, lombardi grows, mazur gets a better doctor, danielson find some magic beans that make him aggressive, asp starts lifting weights, and mbn learns to finish, maybe they have something?

but right now kasper and danielson look more like andrew copp than dylan larkin.  asp's ceiling is gotishbere and not karlsson.  mbn looks like a plugger.  

that equals borderline playoff team forever.  is that what we want?

8 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

The management change needed was to trade out Ken Holland for Jim Nill. 

yes.

but the current management team hasnt done enough to keep their jobs, imo.  theyve been passed by multiple other organizations, some of whom have no business passing them (boston, pittsburgh, and possibly philly).

im yzerman's biggest fan.  in fact, he can stay.  but there needs to be some serious changes to the front office if he does.

otoh, if they wanted to overhaul to entire front office, get rid of the reliance on former red wing players, and start with a fresh new approach, that would be fine too.  probably even preferable.

such a depressing thread.

you need a management change.

i want to buy a ticket for their next home game just to boo them.

pathetic.  

yzerman has to take the blame for this.  its his team now.

yet another year, yet another collapse.  enough is enough.

pathetic.

i imagine ivey's views on pride are the majority in most nba locker rooms.

if cade got sga's whistle, he'd average 50 per game.

loleafs

wemby is such a freak of nature.  the dude could play point guard if he wanted.

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The species hasn't evolved to be able to deal with the tech culture it has built..  Young people going head over heels for this or that idea/movement/vocation/avocation has always been pretty common, but in the past also usually pretty benign. 'Just a phase' you move past and maybe your best friend remembers and can tease you about it 20yrs later.

Well, no more of that kind of leeway.

there is no more forgiveness or mercy.  only rage anf the seeking of righteous vengeance.

"Acquired at the trade deadline from Detroit in the Kevin Huerter deal, there were some immediate red flags around Ivey when he held an impromptu postgame sermon in February about the “Old Jaden Ivey” being dead, especially now that “Christ was in his life.”

Over the last few weeks, he started taking to his social media account and preaching to people his beliefs, while condemning those that he felt weren’t “saved.” Monday was more than enough in being the final straw, as there was an ongoing opinion that Ivey’s behavior was somehow spiraling....

...There was noise out of Detroit that Ivey was not only very religious but a bit of a “preacher” in the locker room, so why was there not enough homework done on him by Karnisovas before the deal?"

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Apparently its been an issue for a while.

he's always been a big religious guy.

not only is his knee injured probably beyond repair, he's also dumb.  regardless of how you feel about pride month, shut your pie hole and keep it to yourself.  he's not good enough to say those things and stay in the league.

50 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Even thinking about trading Raymond seems crazy to me, it feels like the Maple Leafs getting rid of Marner and their fans thinking their team actually improved because of it.

marner is a much better player than raymond.

i love lucas.  i want him to succeed.  but if the wings are going to challenge for stanley cups, he needs to be one of the best players on the ice.  right now he's not.

can he grow into that?  i hope so.

as everyone here has said ad nauseum, the wings dont have enough elite talent and they dont hsve enough hard players.  right now raymond is neither.

hopefully he grows into it.

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Well, that is certainly a take.

I think they lose to OKC and San Antonio, and it's a tossup with Boston.  Nobody else in the east concerns me after Boston.  So I would have them 3rd or 4th I guess.  Assuming Cade is relatively healthy of course.

 

fully healthy they are behind cleveland.  i think they've passed the knicks because cade is now better than brunson.

behind boston for sure.

philly?  they will never be "fully healthy" so it doesnt really matter.  but a healthy embiid would destroy the pistons.

without cade the pistons are 50/50 to get bounced in round one.

raymond is young, on a great contract, and has provided nothing the last two years in crunch time?

would you trade him?  you could get a king's ransom for him.

as mad as i am at him, i probably wouldnt deal him.  he's still young.  if they could get a guy like tuch to be on line one, it might be different.  i supppse that's what mbn or bear is supposed to eventually be.

trying to thread the needle between larkin/debrincat's prime and seider/raymond's prime is proving difficult.

23 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

So the Pistons are big pussies.  Ausar questionable, Duren, Harris, Robinson all doubtful.  

They should get hit with a massive fine.  

will okc sit half their team too?

the best part is now we dont havr to watch that stupid christian laettner shot over and over again while the announcers fellate duke.  they can show the shot that BEAT duke over and over.

the sad part is that it wasnt coach k's arrogant ass on the sideline that had to endure it.  scheyer may not be a rhodes scholar, but he doesnt come across as a hypocritical smug jack ass like "coach k."

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

So that was the lesser brother of the ultrastar.  i'm worried that with the bulk additions of various kid brothers and coach kids in the Michigan sports that we might see one of those happen.  Then again, back to your point the issue is put the best players on the floor during critical moments.  Charlie May wasn't trying to shoot a 3 during the competitive parts of the game.  

I realize the lesser Boozer kid is better than a comp to Charlie May but still.  

jon scheyer is from the (rich) suburbs of chicago.  i used to work for a guy whose kids went to the same high school.  said scheyer was dumber than a box of rocks.  now that was a long time ago, and he did go to duke (lol) so maybe he's picked up some smarts over the years, but still...

then again, you dont have to be smart to coach sports.

45 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Because your point that they’re just not good enough seems accurate. Other teams have dug deep and reeled off wins when they had to. It’s one thing to lose touch with Carolina and Tampa. But how sad it is to in just 8 days fall 8 points behind and 6 points behind Boston after being tied with them. And pathetic to now be tied with mediocre Ottawa and Philadelphia after being 8 and 9 pts up on them at the beginning of this month. Copp missed a whopping 3 games. Larkin was back for then losses to Ottawa and Philly. Completely fragile team. 

its depressing.  three years in a row its the same thing.

will larkin cry about not getting enough help at the deadline this year?

yzerman really needs someone - anyone - outside of seider/raymond/edvinsson to step up and do something.  and if theyre not, ****ING TRADE THEM FOR SOMETHING.

and quite frankly, can lucas raymond get some stick?  doesnt your supposed best offensive player need to step it up?  i know what happened two years ago, but he's been pretty quiet this year and last when they needed him.