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25 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Cade makes a 3 pointer for a 19 point lead at halftime and Blaha says "Man, these guys are playing like Champions." 😆😆

george also said that two years ago a few times during the season.

Just now, 1984Echoes said:

PS: And I STILL want White and Dosunmu.

But what does Chicago want...?

why do you want coby white?

ayo is getting extremely overrated.  he's a bench player on a playoff team.  he'll get played off the floor in a meaningful game, just like he is every playin game when the bulls get their asses kicked by the heat.  

ayo is what ivey is now, only he is a better defender.

and if the pistons wanted them, they would have traded for them in the heurter deal.

i think it does make the pistons better now, but not by a ton.  its not what they need to be a championship caliber team.  but its possible they dont have the assets to trade for a difference maker.

if we thought ivey was going to be valued enough to include in a trade for a difference making player, this should be a wake up call.  ivey went for a guy you could grab with a second round pick.  that's his value.

what's holland's value?  what's duren's value or ausar's value when theyre due big pay days?  what's our pick's value when its likely to be in the 20s for the foreseeable future?

probably not much.

do you want damaged goods like ja?  maybe ausar and a bunch of picks gets you that.

24 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

His contract is dirt cheap and for 3 more years. He's young enough to still kind of fit in their rebuild. There is no reason for them to trade him. So you would have to massively overpay, and your offer wouldn't even get a response. 

Unless he demands a trade or will be very expensive to acquire him. 

putting duren in the deal will get troy weaver interested.  after all, rebounding is the most important thing to him.

there has to be another trade.

ive heard good things about the wings...

1 minute ago, lordstanley said:

If the Devils suck again next year, does Quinn even want to go there? His production is much higher since the trade than it had been with Canucks earlier this season. Why end up in another Canucks situation 

because he wants to play with his brothers.  there was no other reason to go to jersey before or after.  

30 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Because he's overseen them go from 14 wins to the top of the East in 2 years

i think that has to do with cade and firing monty williams.  trajan can take credit for replacing monty, but the cade thing is due to health.

bringing in beasley last year was a plus.  duncan has turned out ok so far (although i think he'll get beasley'd in the playoffs), lavert has sucked.  holland hasnt been anything great.

the pistons going from the worst team ever to good was due to internal growth and minor edge tinkering.  now comes the hard part, moving from good to a contender.  i dont think the pistons are there yet.

heurter aint gonna do it, but lets see if there is another shoe to drop.

5 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

There is one way to package Huerter with others for a bigger deal.  Don't report the trade to the league.

All three teams agree to the trade, then don't report it to the league.  It would give the Pistons a day or two to work on a bigger trade.  For example, they add Brooklyn to the deal as a fourth team but instead of Huerter going to Detroit, he goes to Brooklyn plus LeVert and picks from Detroit for MPJ.  

If Detroit can't work out a larger deal, the three teams just turn in the original trade to the league right before the deadline on Thursday.

I'm not saying that is what is happening here.  Just saying it is  a possibility.  

 

i think they want heurter because he can shoot.

saric is the deal i dont understand.  you HAD to take saric in order to move the former #5 pick in the draft for a 3 point shooter who plays no defense?

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

but that's the other twist here. Lets say the Devils look like they aren't going to be very good going forward and you are the team that signs Quinn to a 6 or 7 yr deal. Is he then going to spend all his energy lobbying you to bring in his bros from NJ as their contracts expire? Is that going to be good for your team? Are you going to do it even if if isn't to keep your star happy?  

It's all speculation but it's just another thing that needs to at least be in the back of your mind if you decide to deal with a guy with siblings in the league who has already said he wants to play with them.

jack hughes might have the best contract in hockey.  luke hughes just signed a 7 year deal this year.  neither of those two are going anywhere.  which hughes brother is out of contract after next season?  THAT'S the hughes brother who is moving.

all this assumes a lot, like the fact they ACTUALLY WANT to play together.  they might not.  lots can happen in 2 years.  maybe the wings draft the next hughes brother and quinn decides he wants to play with him?  we dont know.

from their public statements, it would seem quinn is bound for jersey, but you never know.  i remember when johnny gaudreau definitely wanted to play on the east coast and then signed in columbus.  now, i know hockey players arent geography majors, but c-bus isnt a hop, skip, or jump from the atlantic ocean.  otoh, gavrikov was "always ticketed to ny" and ended up signing with the rangers.  rasmus anderson "only wanted to play in vegas" and was traded to vegas.

53 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

but I have trust in Trajan

why?

Just now, Deleterious said:

Pistons had 15 players on the roster before the trade.  1 out 2 in means someone on the roster has to be cut.  I would guess it will be Isaac Jones.  That brings the roster back to 15 players.  Then if/when they sign Jenkins to his NBA deal, they will have to create another roster spot for him.  I imagine Saric would then be cut to make room for Jenkins.  

why trade for saric at all? 

37 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

So Saric was a separate deal and they used part of their TPE.  Just to cut him.  OK

 

 

they must be looking to make another deal.  

as much as ivey may be shooting well this year, huerter is a better pure shooter historically.

i know the pistons need shooting but this cant be the best they could do?  it looks like most of us who placed any real value on ivey were wrong, maybe were placing too much value on holland and ausar too?  especially holland.

help us troy weaver and joe dumars, youre our only hope of fleecing someone this year.

51 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

My hypothetical was a complete joke, I figured Rasmussen's inclusion would make it too obvious!

I'd rather keep Danielson over Kasper but I'm sure the Blues would feel the opposite.  I'd give up a lot for Thomas though, 26 years old with 5 more years on his deal after this season.

i know it was a joke.  😉

i do think the wings have enough to at least make st louis think about it.  i dont think yzerman would give up that much.

17 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Never ever said that.  Edvinsson is really good now and going to be great.  I think Stevie made a mistake valuing him over Hughes who is a generational defenseman (and much, much better defender than you give him credit).

i think youre underestimating three things:

edvinsson's ceiling, hughes' free agent status in a year, and hughes' desire to play with his brothers, all of whom play in new jersey.

dont we have a trade exception too?

9 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Hmmm.  We don't have the roster space to make this happen, so someone is getting cut.  Then I imagine Saric gets cut after that to make room for Jenkins.  

Not exactly sure how this works cap wise either.  Ivey is about $10 million while Huerter is $17 million plus Saric at $5 million.  We don't have cap space to do that.  

must be another move coming.

soooo....do we get harden now?  lol.

15 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

 

Marco Kasper + Rasmussen + first round pick 😂

Danielson, MBN and two first round picks, top 10 protected.  st louis loves size (danielson) physicality (mbn) and a couple first rounders.

8 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

It was just a pick swap, so no extra pick for Detroit.

detroit's pick is likely to be a bit lower than minnys, if that's anything.

on the topic of edvinsson, i think he is going to be as good or better than seider.  he's taller and more mobile.  i see those two developing into the best pair in the nhl.

hughes is a special offensive talent, i get it.  but i think edvinsson is going to be a special DEFENSEman.

Just now, Deleterious said:

It was just a pick swap, so no extra pick for Detroit.

even worse then.

heurter is "just a shooter" even more than robinson is.  he's been awful with the bulls.  this is a total dump of ivey.

ivey had zero value and this is the best you could get for him.  also tells me they had no desire to keep him for next year and wanted that salary hold off the books.

13 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

LeVert is listed as available on tonight's injury report.

oh boy.

ummm....THAT'S THE BEST YOU COULD GET FOR JADEN IVEY?

shows what the league thinks of ivey.

pistons get shooting and another pick to trade.  bulls get a rehab project on a guy who was once a promising player.

THOU SHALT NOT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT QUINN HUGHES BECAUSE STEVE YZERMAN MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE SIMON EDVINSSON SUCKS.

- hongbit....probably.

2 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Windhorst said Minnesota is actively recruiting 3rd and 4th teams to bring into a Giannis deal.

do we get bobby portis out of it for 4 second rounders?