buddha

a flagrant for that.

nba is such a pussy league now.

refs are embarassed by the free throw disparity, pistons are getting calls tonight.

alright duren.  much better.

they just called that on cade.

JAMES HARDEN IS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!!!

STOP SWITCHING

10 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

Sure, that explains why they might be getting more free throws than us. I expected that. But that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing something historic. Something that has literally never happened in the history of the NBA.

i understand, but i think that's the root of the problem.  tobias and duren get no respect and mitchell/harden get WAAAAY too much respect.  cade doesnt get enough respect.

i also think the officials dont like jb.  he's always barking at them, he does a lot of histrionics on the sideline if things go against the pistons, he's always showing them up.  theyre humans too and i doubt they enjoy it.  

i do recognize your point that this is outside the realm of normal, especially considering the cavs are a 3 point shooting team and the pistons live in the paint.  so i get it and i think it is unfair.

however, caris lavert, danniss jenkins, tobias harris, and jalen duren will get no respect from the refs.  maybe tobias, but certainly not the other three.  i think that's a part of nba life.

just wait til brunson gets 3 fouls on ausar in every first quarter while josh hart mugs cade.

The cavs have two guys who are foul-getting machines: harden and mitchell.  those guys get respect and consequently get foul calls.  a majority of which they do not deserve (how many times can harden be allowed to run right into someone, throw back his head in a ridiculous fashion, and then get a call?  or kick out his feet on a jumper and get a call?).

the pistons have one superstar and one wanna be.  cade can get calls but doesnt sell it like harden/mitchell and consequently doesnt get as many BS calls as they do.  he also eschews contact at the basket sometimes (that said, he should be getting MORE calls for sure).  duren is supposed to be superstar #2 but as weve all pointed out, he isnt that and has been useless and gets no respect from officials.

the pistons are also very physical on defense.  sometimes too much so.

the league isnt cheating for cleveland, its cheating for mitchell/harden.  like it always has for superstars.

which - again - is another reason why the pistons need another star next to cade.  duren is not that player.

28 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

There have been times he's come off the screen with an open shot...since Cade hit him in the hands  with a pass he fumbled in game 4...he's not looking for him

he's not open.

he drove the lane yesterday once and scored.  more of that please.  

every thing we said about duren in the playoffs has come true.  the hope is he is young and will continue to improve.

cleveland took away the pick and roll by packing the paint and having two giant shot blockers on their team.

that was to be expected by everyone paying attention.  orlando did the same thing.

its not that cade isnt looking for him, its that he's no longer trying to force it like he did in the first few orlando games.

the real problem with duren is that he's been totally ineffective on the boards and in interior defense.  he's been outplayed by stew (before he got hurt) and reed (whenever jb's dumb ass gives him a chance).

he's frustrated and sulking.  after each time he misses a bunny or "almost" gets his hand on a rebound, he shakes his head, throws his hands in the air, and sulks back down the floor.  he needs to hustle like reed and ausar.  and he's not.  

also, multiple times the pistons had mitchell/harden trapped between the half court line and the sideline in the corner and then refused to double them.  totally let them off the hook.  frustrating.

5 hours ago, Betrayer said:

Exactly.

Blaming the guy who had 39 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals is ludicrous. Yea, he's going to make some mistakes because his usage is through the roof, he's playing 40 minutes, and the other team is keyed in on him non-stop. He's going to miss a close out or two because you can't be perfect the entire game with that much usage on both ends.

Cade was 6 of 10 from three. The rest of the team was 5 of 23. That includes Beef Stew going 2 for 3.  That means everyone else was 3 for 20. Cade was getting them open looks all night. You've got to make more than 15% of your threes. Just one or two of those and the game is over.

Cade shot 8 free throws and everyone else shot a total of 12. Without even getting into the officials giving Cleveland 38 shots to our 20, Cade was getting to the line when the refs decided to blow the whistle. The lack of free throws are not on him.

Cade (and Ausar/Reed) were the only reasons they even had the lead. And they would've walked away with it easily if any single other person on this team would have hit an open three or got to the line in the closing minutes when Cade was getting blitzed and making the right play to give them a 4 on 3 advantage. Tobias, Jenkins, and Lavert were garbage down the stretch and blew this game. Then the refs capped it off with a(nother) no-call just like last year.

saying he wasnt good enough isnt "blaming" him for the loss.  he HAS TO BE SUPERMAN because the rest of the team is so flawed.

he wasnt good down the stretch in the 4th and overtime.  like del said, both things can be true: cade was the only reason they were in the game and then was a big reason they ultimately lost it.

i think he was obviously gassed down the stretch and made some big mental errors.  cleveland did what we all said teams would do to the pistons in the playoffs: send a hard double team at him and pack the paint, daring the pistons to beat them from 3.  and - just like last year - the pistons couldnt do it because their other scoring options are duren, harris, and caris lavert.

this game is on the front office (trajan and jb) much more than cade, BUT, jb wasnt the one who didnt box out, or got stripped late, or faded down the stretch.  cade has to be superman and tonight in the 4th quarter and ot he wasnt.  and that's a big reason they lost.

to betrayer's point, you have to hit your wide open 3s.  and the pistons didnt.

cleveland had strus and we had lavert.  not sure where heurter was at the end.  he played earlier.

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

One positive is that clownshow finally figured out to sit Duren and play Paul Reed.  He kept Reed in and didn’t go back to Duren down the stretch and into OT.   

yup.

but by the end of the game reed was exhausted.  cade too.

there's a reason jb was fired in cleveland.

20 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

A Cossa-Nurse deal would make Edmonton twitter happy. But I don’t get the sense he wants to waive his NTC. And I don’t see Stevie wanting to bring on another big contract just as CCR are expiring. 

There is nothing wrong with keeping Cossa. 

i agree there is nothing wrong with keeping cossa.  my point was there is little precedent for a goalie prospect like cossa warranting a top 15 pick and those past trades cited by max dont support it either.

if they trade cossa, its probably going to be for someone else's salary dump/rehab project.  like nurse or ep40.

mitchell and harden seek out contact and the refs reward them because theyre stars.

cade needs to do that too but he largely doesnt.

5 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

No. That’s how turnovers happen. You don’t go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. Cade did everything to bring this game home. He was let down by his coach and his teammates.  

cade doesnt need help to turn the ball over.  yet another "casual cade" play in ot lets strus strip him and set up a layup.

he turns the ball over when he drives because he doesnt seek contact, gets in the air, and then looks to pass instead of shooting.

2 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

No. That’s how turnovers happen. You don’t go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. Cade did everything to bring this game home. He was let down by his coach and his teammates.  

disagree.  cade has to be special.  go quick before the double team comes.  get to the basket and draw contact instead of fading away.  he was passive.

you know who he looked like tonight?  game 7 tracy mcgrady.  making "the right pass" but not taking charge of the game when youre the best player on the floor.

harden drove and got fouled all game.  cade didnt.  make the refs make the call.

there's still some naiivite to cade's game.

1 minute ago, Betrayer said:

He’s doing what he’s supposed to and getting rid of it early so the team can go 4 on 3 behind the trap. Teammates need to score on those. 

but he doesnt have teammates that can hit them.  he has to take over.  and he didnt.

another mistake by cade.

lazy.

1 minute ago, DTroppens said:

And our front office didn't think we needed another perimeter threat at the trade deadline.

they paid their entire MLE for caris ****ing lavert.

5 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Not a good time for Cade to be passive

i know cade is the reason they were even in the game, and he's their best player by far, but he's been a no-show ever since they started doubling him.

how is that not a ****ing foul?  **** you, tony brothers.

stop passing the ball, cade.

1 minute ago, Betrayer said:

Why put Duren in?

for the rebound.  cause he was always going to call timeout.

cause he's a bad in game coach.

stop ****ing around, cade.  take the ball to the god damn basket.