MichiganCardinal

Trades in the later 1st round and beyond don't typically happen until draft day, and with good reason. If the second pick is at 24, the board falls such that you have 3 WRs available who you like, and the Ravens or Titans at 30 call you, or even the Texans or Jaguars at 34, you'll probably entertain that a lot more than you would if you're sitting at 24 with only one WR left who you like.

Brian Kelly and scum are synonymous. If ND didn’t want this as his ending they should have fired him when a kid died on his watch.

I feel bad for him, reports are that he’s hurting bad and trying to toughen through it. His line is doing him no favors. That said, he can go 7-10 and I won’t lose any sleep.

I thought he was a bit over the top at times (the “OH - JAH - BO” at the end comes to mind), and that the FOX broadcast was dreadful (I still don’t know if the late 4th and 4 completed pass by Ohio State was correctly ruled). But because M won I also don’t care.

That's a lot of points. I don't bet but I would take Iowa +10.5

I think it’s likely that Michigan is slow out the gates. I think they’ll win in the end but I would take Iowa plus the points.

I think Michigan won for many of the reasons that we identified pregame as ways that Michigan could pull off the upset (but wouldn't allow ourselves to believe it possible)... They generated pressure consistently, kept Stroud from getting comfortable, the secondary kept up with Ohio State's wideouts (other than a few other-worldly plays), and the offense executed nearly flawlessly. Beyond that though, something I don't think many saw coming (though maybe we should have), Harbaugh and his staff clearly out-coached Day and his staff. Harbaugh was prepared with an excellent game plan, did not deviate when it got touch-and-go early, and along with Gattis and McDonald executed it consistently from the opening snap to the final kneel... Day looked surprised, out of his element, and at times confusingly conservative. Michigan was in the driver's seat for all but maybe one drive of that game.

Alabama doesn't look like Alabama. I know it's a rivalry game, but Auburn has not been good in a while.

I think it has more to do with the playoff than the NIL rules. Every big school has sponsors and alums that will pay out the wazoo to make sure that they get the players they want. Michigan may be late to that party because they didn't get a head start like the schools who have been paying-to-play for years, but they'll catch up. The playoff though is a joke right now. Even counting only the Power Five, you have a sport that only allows the "top" 6% of teams into the playoff. I put top in quotations because who knows how many #5-16 teams would have made a run if they were allowed to. The playoff format is what has allowed schools like Ohio State to continue to succeed with a trust fund coach like Ryan Day. You don't have to even try to recruit, you're practically the only place available if a kid wants to win a National Championship. If the CFP ever finally adjusts, and allows for at least 20% to make the playoff (about 12 teams), I think we will see a fallout in subsequent recruiting classes, where kids will say "hey I can go to (Virginia Tech, Minnesota, Baylor, Stanford, etc.) and actually maybe have the chance to compete for a National Championship.", which will allow for the coaches of those schools to actually compete with Alabama and Ohio State. As it is, those schools (including Michigan as of late) cannot realistically say "come here to win championships". It's like a D1 to D2 difference.

This really does feel program changing. I don't know if it will allow Michigan to flip the script on Ohio State and start picking off those 5* recruits, but it just feels like the most impactful win by Michigan football I've seen in my lifetime.

Hutch and Thib may be 1 and 2 off the board. After today, I'm not as sure on the order.

Ryan Day was finally exposed for the fraud he is. Inherited everything he has and has yet to have to work for any of his success.

FUCK OHIO!!! They fucking did it!!!!!

Owe us about 50 more holds to make up for just 2016.

These multiple 4th down failures may come back to get us

Cannot let up, still game left to play.

I don't know how they had him in live.

WOW. Wow wow wow. 28-13 but I won't let myself get too excited. Cannot let up now.

I wouldn't. No need to be cute when you're 10-1 and you think of yourself as equals talent-wise.

The pick on the 2nd drive and that missed pick stand out as mistakes we could be looking back on for the next year. You cannot make those mistakes against this team.

I’m not 100% for him, I think he’s made more mistakes than I would like to see in the last few games… I’m just not willing to start a riot towards his firing yet while he’s got a practical Minor League Football team talent wise.

I have season tickets to a team that hasn’t won a playoff game in my lifetime. If anyone has a commitment problem it’s me lol. All I am saying (whether it reflected well in my previous post or not) is that we shouldn’t make knee-jerk reactions based on single moments of stupidity made by players who shouldn’t be in the NFL. I’m not a fan of the decision making either for what it’s worth. It’s not a free pass so much as it is “let’s take a step back and see what he does on a team with even a modicum amount of talent”.

I agree with this.

Player development is great, but only to the degree that it helps us two or three years from now. Sewell has been lights out. Does Campbell get any credit for that? Ragnow has been injured. Hockenson hasn’t looked great, but he’s also quite literally the only downfield receiving threat. Of course we don’t want a liability on the sideline if Holmes turns it around, and as I said - I don’t expect him to still be there if he is bad in 2022 or 2023. I’m not opposed to remembering these moments and using them against him if the mistakes continue in 2022 and/or 2023. But I’m not ready to burn him at the stake over stupid mistakes bad players made in a game we were going to lose anyway.