1 minute ago, Tenacious D said:

Says, “Domed”

Just because I can post on a message board doesn't mean I can read and make informed opinions first. I thought that was common knowledge here. 😆

34 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I like how Chicago killed building a museum there but will now build a stadium there. 

And one without a roof, so largely useless for anything but football for about 5-6 months out of the year.

Happy Draft Day everybody. I'm going down for all three days. Ford Field season ticket party tonight, tickets by the draft stage tomorrow, and just walking around enjoying the atmosphere on Saturday.

Hopefully those thunderstorms stay away this weekend, everyone plays by the rules, and everything goes swimmingly. The city really doesn't need a Kansas City parade situation on its hands.

This didn't have to be this good but it was anyway.

With the Goff deal not imminent…. What are the odds we see them roll with Hooker in the near future?

I think still low. But I wouldn’t put it past them to not be bullied by contract demands.

Fair deal for all sides.

Onto Goff and McNeill

3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

PS: If we add a couple more mid-round picks, or maybe even if not... I would hazard a guess that Holmes calculates another risk and is willing to add another RB to the RB room with Benson in the 3rd (only with additional picks) or Corum in the 5th or 6th...

Just a guess.

When both Montgomery and Gibbs were hurt in the first game against Tampa Bay, Craig Reynolds was the leading back, but could only muster 10 carries for 15 yards.

Granted, part of that is that Tampa has a very good run defense. But also, that's not good enough. At such a fragile position, I'd prefer someone better than Craig Reynolds, even though I know they have said they love him in the locker room.

I don't think it'll happen in the first three rounds. I think they will take the best DB, EDGE, WR, or IOL available with each of those picks. But in the 5th and beyond, when you're just looking for depth, an RB3 would make sense.

22 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Quinn was actually pretty good at drafting offensive linemen. 4/5 of the offensive line last year were Quinn picks. 

At least drafting. He also signed Hal Vaitai at 5 years / $45MM to be our starting RT when he had only ever been the backup in Philly. Obviously worked out once the new regime moved him inside to RG, but was still a bad signing in hindsight. He also let Glasgow walk in free agency before the new regime brought him back.

56 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

Not surprising results but the percentages open eyes.   1st Rd WR is a really bad bet.   

Pretty sure the one center miss was Billy Price, the center taken immediately after Ragnow in 2018. Good thing not even Bob Quinn could screw that up.

28 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

It doesn't make sense. The injury was just cover for McVay to bench their expensive franchise QB. Do you think there would ever have been a situation where Stafford was healthy enough to be on the active roster and be the backup but not healthy enough to start over David Blough? An injured Goff is still better than Wolford. 

McVay has admitted he made mistakes when Goff was in LA. I don't think it makes a ton of sense, but I understand the logic behind putting an injured QB1 who can still run a limited offense of handoffs and misdirections over putting a QB4 Josh Johnson or Christian McCaffery in at QB like the 49ers had to do last year in the playoffs.

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

He literally came off the bench in the playoff game to take over for Wolford who got the start. 

I don't think you can detach his hand injury from his performance that year and in the playoffs though. Knowing what I know now about Goff, I don't think he was bad, I think he was injured. I think the media certainly played it off as him being just bad. And the Rams did him no favors in that regard, it's pretty clear that they thought he was just bad too.

As for the playoff game, I think McVay, knowing Goff was hurt and already thinking that Goff was just bad, put Wolford in over him, despite Goff saying he could play if needed. So then when they needed him, he went back in, performed poorly, and it just added to the narrative.

17 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Oh... please, please do not bring up BMW.

Maybe I misunderstood the prompt...... hmm....

1. Charles Rogers

2. Joey Harrington

3. Andre Ware

Honorable mentions to Reggie Rogers, Mike Williams, and Jahlani Tavai.

I wouldn't forget about Brodric Martin at the DT position. I think his job is more safe than Onwuzurike's at this point, and he's likely a part of their long-term plans in one way or another.

1 minute ago, buddha said:

would you go from 29 to 36 for two 4th round picks?

i wouldnt.

Probably not, but more so because we already have two 4ths next year. If we want a guy like Frazier, I probably would go down seven spots for a 3rd next year.

It’s my draft so Arizona can make any stupid decisions I decide they make. 😉 

But the point chart roughly works out. I went between the two 4ths and a 2025 3rd.

Here's my final mock draft:

1. Chicago Bears: Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2. Washington Commanders: Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU
3. New England Patriots: JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan 
4. Minnesota Vikings (Trade w/ ARI): Drake Maye, QB, UNC
5. Los Angeles Chargers: Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State
6. New York Giants: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
7. Tennessee Titans: Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame
8. Atlanta Falcons: Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama
9. Chicago Bears: Troy Fautanu, OT/OG, Washington
10. New York Jets: Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia
11. Arizona Cardinals (Trade w/ MIN): Rome Odunze, WR, Washington
12. Denver Broncos: Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas
13. Las Vegas Raiders: Olumuyiwa Fashanu, OT, Penn State
14. New Orleans Saints: JC Latham, OT, Alabama
15. Indianapolis Colts: Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama
16. Seattle Seahawks: Troy Fautanu, OT/OG, Washington
17. Jacksonville Jaguars: Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama
18. Cincinnati Bengals: Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois
19. Los Angeles Rams: Cooper DeJean, DB, Iowa
20. Pittsburgh Steelers: Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia
21. Miami Dolphins: Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State
22. Philadelphia Eagles: Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA
23. Detroit Lions (Trade* w/ ARI thru MIN & HOU): Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo
24. Dallas Cowboys: Jackson Powers-Johnson, IOL, Oregon
25. Green Bay Packers: Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson
26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Troy Fuaga, OG/OT, Oregon State
27. Arizona Cardinals: Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn State
28. Buffalo Bills: Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU
29. Arizona Cardinals (Trade w/ DET): Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia
30. Las Vegas Raiders (Trade w/ BAL): Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington
31. San Francisco 49ers: Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
32. Kansas City Chiefs: Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas

*Trade: #29 and both 2025 4ths to Arizona for #23.

61. Detroit Lions: Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

73. Detroit Lions: Zak Zinter, OG, Michigan

164. Detroit Lions: Austin Booker, EDGE, Kansas

201. Detroit Lions: Jase McClellan, RB, Alabama

205. Detroit Lions: Logan Lee, DT, Iowa

249. Detroit Lions: Ryan Watts, S, Texas

7-6 final in Winnipeg. Lyon and Reimer can be heard saying "I could have done that". 

6 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

Are there any other sources on this outside of Charlie Campbell from Walterfootball? 

 

I haven't looked, but FWIW Charlie Campbell's write-up went beyond that of a simple rumor and came with a direct quote from an NFC executive:

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NFL Hot Press: Teams Don’t See Top-10 Talent in Kool-Aid McKinstry

Charlie Campbell, 5 months ago

Under Nick Saban, the Alabama Crimson Tide program have been a factory for NFL defensive back talent, with a number of cornerbacks going high in the first round of NFL drafts. Given that tradition, many in the media have projected junior cornerback Kool-Aid McKinstry to be a top-10 pick next April in the 2024 NFL Draft. However, of the NFL sources from seven different teams who spoke with WalterFootball.com, none of them had McKinstry projected as a high first-round pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. All of them said they thought he would be a late first-round or early second-round pick instead.

At 6-foot-1, 195 pounds, McKinstry has good size for the NFL, and he has played a lot over the past three seasons. Sources note that McKinstry is big, has speed, is good in press-man coverage, but he is also rigid and does not have good stop-start quickness or explosion. Hence, McKinstry faces coverage limitations for the NFL. None of the team sources said they believed that McKinstry has the skill set of other recent top-10 cornerbacks like Devon Witherspoon, Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley Jr. or Jaycee Horn.

One NFC director of college scouting told WalterFootball.com

“He is way overhyped and isn’t a top flight athlete …. He knows how to play, but isn’t freaky in any way. His body is odd, like a 40-year old man who works out at the YMCA, and he is a super lazy practice player. He thinks he can just show up and will himself to play because he’s very confident and football-smart. However, the lack of work ethic is showing up and will continue to deteriorate the player he is moving forward. He’s taken a slight step back this year.”

McKinstry did have better production in 2022 compared to what he has done this year. Thus far in 2023, he has 21 tackles and five passes broken up. In 2022, he became a full-time starter and recorded 35 tackles, a sack, an interception and 15 passes broken up. As a freshman in 2021, he collected 26 tackles and an interception.

Each one of the sources shared they felt that the cornerback starting across from McKinstry, Terrion “Ghost” Arnold, is the better pro prospect. Alabama is trying to convince Arnold to return to the program for next year by saying things like he could be a top-20 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft with more development and a good season. However, NFL team sources already like Arnold more than McKinstry. McKinstry is being projected as a late first- or second-round pick in the 2024 NFL Draft to a team that likes to play press-man coverage.

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Is there any player, realistically speaking, if the Lions took you'd be underwhelmed or disappointed by in the first round?

I'd be pretty meh about any of the IOLmen. I trust Holmes completely, so I wouldn't be upset, but I just don't see any of the Day 1 guards or centers (JPJ, Fautanu, Fuaga) being head and shoulders above the Day 2 guards and centers (Zinter, Barton, Frazier, Beebe, Robinson, etc.).

13 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

The first pictures of the actual sign were before any secondary work they did on it. I see they've added a small fence and some lighting. It's the process, as usual most people don't understand

It looked like some mulch was added around the letters too today which was a nice touch.

I passed the I-94 DETROIT sign today... It wasn't as bad as it looked in pictures.

2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

I heard they're adding WCF to helmet.

I looked it up, it'll be a decal on the helmet. One step closer to not referencing him at all, and at least when I purchase a jersey it won't be defaced with the initials.

I really hated that if you can't tell.

6 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Did they do away with "WCF" on the sleeve? Looks like just the Nike swoosh now.

Sure looks like it, which automatically makes this jersey upgrade a win.

I'm thinking of getting ASB in white, Hutch in black, and Goff in blue... If Jamo switches to #1 I may consider him in blue or black too.

I would bet that for all the strong feelings about it in both directions, the black will be the best selling of the three.