Mr.TaterSalad

If Goff ends up as a middle of the pack QB at season's end, where he is somewhere between 14-17 or so in total yards, TDs, attempts, completion % does that warrant hanging onto him? What does the stat line look like if we're keeping Goff? For me, I'm almost always willing to take the gamble on the new guy and the unknown. If I was so willing to move on from Stafford, I'd be willing to move on from Goff if it means having a shot at a prospect like Stroud or Young.

I think they are really high on Ifeatu Melifonwu and between him and Okudah, they want to see what they have. Melifonwu was hurt for almost all of last season as well, so they anticipate getting something out of him and being able to develop him. He is another highly athletic corner who tested well and has a high RAS score at 9.69.

Curious question, what is everyone's 5-10 favorite songs of all time? We have a lot of eclectic music tastes on MTS/MTF and I wanted to see when it all boils down to it, what are your favorites? Here's my top 10 . . . 1. My Girl by The Temptations 2. Cover Me Up by Jason Isbell 3. The Boxer by Simon & Garfunkel (I also really love EmmyLou Harris' cover) 4. River by Joni Mitchell 5. Little Girl Blue by Janis Joplin 6. Red Dirt Girl by EmmyLou Harris 7. Take It Easy by The Eagles 8. Much Too Young (To Feel This Damn Old) by Garth Brooks 9. For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield 10. The Traveling Kind by EmmyLou Harris & Rodney Crowell

Of course. Making the world a better place for those who are born goes against the tenants of Christian fundamentalists. Just look at all the programs these alleged pro life fundamentalists are against that do indeed make life better for people and provide them with at least some means to subsist. And if you don't believe they are against them, the far right politicians they keep voting for have routinely voted to cut, eliminate and/or privatize these programs. I would be glad to provide the sourcing about all the times these allegedly pro life, Republican politicians voted to cut, eliminate, and/or privatize each of the programs. I would also be glad to provide the vote totals for the politicians who voted to cut, eliminate, and/or privatize these programs and show the votes they got from the allegedly pro life, Christian fundamentalists. Aid for Families with Dependent Children/AFDC (they believed that people on AFDC before it was reformed were welfare queens) Commodity Supplemental Food Program Community Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds Earned Income Tax Credit Free/Reduced Lunch Programs in Schools General Cash Assistance Housing and Urban Development Assistance/HUD Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program Medicaid Medicare Medicare For All legislation for universal healthcare Obamacare Medicaid expansion Section 8 Housing Vouchers Social Security (they want to privatize it and turn us into Chile) Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children/WIC State Children's Health Insurance Program Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program/SNAP Supplemental Security Income Temporary Assistance for Needy Families/TANF Title I Migrant Education Program Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities Unemployment insurance compensation Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service WIA Adult Employment and Training (Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth)

Your average progressive is working to move forward and make the world a better place, even if they are hypocritical at times. Your average conservative, Christian fundamentalist wants to take the world back to the 1950's and prior. That's the whole reason for the slogan Make American Great Again.

That's the Republican mantra and the mantra of far right Christian fundamentalists.

Middle class, white Republicans woman will still find ways to get abortions as needed. As will the mistresses of Republican politicians.

Let's first assume that at seasons end next year and after the combine and pro days, that CJ Stroud and Bryce Young are indeed the consensus top QBs. Let's also presume Stroud and Young are highly touted, top 10 prospects, unlike this years crop of QBs. What would we rather have . . . Goff plus the the 3 first round picks in 2023/2024 or take the gamble of knowing you will get one one of Stroud/Young when you trade up but will have given up the 3 picks to move up?

Right, Alito and company know what this will lead to. All the legal wrangling in the world won't change that. As MB said, Roe was the first step. When Republicans get control of the House, Senate, and Presidency again someday, possibly as soon as 2024, I have no doubt they will bring about legislation that will enact a nationwide ban. Mr. State's Rights Samuel Alito will suddenly and likely have forgotten by that time that he cares so much about state's rights.

If they know there is legislation already drafted and/or enacted into law that bans abortion, that is the court saying "we wish for these laws to be enacted". Thus, these laws that they know are on the books already or are a step away from being legalized, will ban abortion. This is a wink and a nod to say ok states and state legislatures, you may enact or enforce these laws now that ban abortion. These aren't stupid people, they know damn well what they did and did it with purpose and to allow others the legislative intent to ban abortion or enforce what is already being legislated. I'm not going to keep quibbling over legislative intent or not after this. But the GOP and GOP judicial minds always told us what a problem judicial activism was and that judges should not be imposing their personal will or legislating it on others, and I believe they did just that.

This is legislating from the bench. This is a group of justices saying, as coy as they may want to be about it, that they believe abortion should be illegal. They can frame it in any cute legal speak they want, but this is Justices of the Supreme Court enacting their religious beliefs against abortion on the rest of us. They know damn well there are trigger laws that will go into effect that will place a full ban on abortion once Roe is overturned.

I also used to remember when Republicans crowed on about judicial activism and legislating from the bench.

Now that they have essentially rid the country of legal abortion, you can be sure some radical, right wing, Christian fundamentalist group will come for marriage equality next. Under the guise of state's rights and government overreach, I'd bet money that Obergefell will get overturned if this country and court keep heading in the direction they are in.

While I don't think a Christian fundamentalist like Alito would want slavery back, I do think he'd love to leave issues like inter-racial marriage, gay marriage, LGBTQ equity, women's rights in the workplace, anti-discrimination laws, voting rights up to the states. States rights arguments are the same way of saying you don't support something. I think Alito, Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Thomas want this nation to look fundamentally different than it does now. They fundamentally don't believe the federal government should be in the business of promoting equity and equality. It's ironic for Thomas considering he is both black and from the south that without the federal government stepping in and mandating equity southern states in this country would still infringe on his right to vote and right to marry his wife Virginia.

As much as the radical Christian right loves kids, they love guns even more. Nothing trumps their love for guns. If the radical Christian right put the energy into ensuring well-funded schools, universal healthcare, nutritious food on everyone's table, shelter over everyone's head, as they do pimping out for guns, the world would be a better place. But you know, that would require you to act like a, um, Christian.

LOL at the dude from the Houston Chronicle giving his own team an A. The Texans reached on a Guard in the 1st round in Kenyon Green and drafted what could be the 2nd or 3rd best Corner, who had 1 productive season 2 years ago in Stingley Jr., when they had needs at literally every position on the field. Were I Nick Cesario and the Texans GM I would have picked Ikem Ekwonu or Kayvon Thibodeaux at #3 and then one of Treylon Burks or Trent McDuffie at #15 after the trade back. What do I really know though.

Right. I still believe in all the flaws and critiques I pointed out back in 2016. I still believe she is an empty shell, with little conviction on public policy. I still believe she flip-flops, vacillates, and does things out of political expediency. I still hate her husband, the bad policies he enacted during his Presidency and the woman he hurt throughout his lifetime. As you said though, when the choice is someone who cares for democracy and democratic norms and someone who does not, the choice is obvious. I did vote for Hillary, I wished I would have done more to convince others to do the same.

If the Republicans don't pay a political price at the ballot box as a result of what is happening to women's choice and abortion rights then all this discussion we're having here and all the hand ringing and protesting across the country is for not. If you consider yourself pro women, pro choice, pro healthcare, pro religious freedom, pro democracy, pro liberty, in any way, shape or form, you have to get out and vote and make the Republicans pay a steep political price at the ballot box. If they win the House and Senate then you as an American have not done your job. Get out and vote for Democratic candidates or else you have failed if you consider yourself pro women, choice, healthcare, democracy, religious freedom, liberty, and on. Even if that Democratic candidate is too moderate, not progressive enough or too far to the left, if they have a (D) next to their name on the ballot, get out and vote for them. That's all there is to it.

I regret a lot of things in my life, including criticizing Hillary Clinton the way I did back in 2015/2016. The one thing I don't regret though, is deciding to vote for Hillary Clinton in the end. Had she been elected President we wouldn't be here.

What would stop them from doing that now? This suspected ruling by the Supreme Court will make it the wild west for states to create all kinds of laws and impose them on woman who have abortions, whether in or out of state. They'll also likely criminalize anyone aiding the woman in having an abortion, so a parent, a friend, whomever may drive a woman to a healthcare clinic, will face accessory type charges as well.

Don't ever call a pro life person on the radical Christian right pro life, they are only pro birth. First and foremost, they are looking to impose their ignorant views of Jesus and Christianity on all of us with a national Christian religion. Don't lose sight of that, they want all of us to fall under and live by their bastardized version of what they think Jesus said and did. When it comes to helping the poor and those in need, you know, actually providing people with a good quality of life, the Christian Right are bootstrappers through and through. They are some of the most vocal opponents of public assistance programs like TANF benefits, SNAP, WIC, free/reduced school lunch programs, SChip for children's healthcare, Medicaid expansion, Obamacare with preexisting protection previsions, woman's healthcare initiatives, universal healthcare programs like Medicare For All, mental health reforms, student debt forgiveness, racial equity initiatives, and more. They are also proponents of Social Security privatization and ending Social Security altogether. They also worship a man who goes on profanity laced tirades, runs scam charities for veterans, and bilks people out of their money with fraudulent real estate and college courses. They believe that gays, lesbians, transgendered, and non-binary are subhuman and damned to a life of hell. They oppose the right of people to marry whom they love and identify with the gender they feel comfortable with. They fiercely defend the rights of business owners to refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation. The Christian Right denounces Christianity and Jesus every single day when they selectively live by the words of the Bible and the compassionate Christ they claim to love. They denounce being a truly pro life person when the fight so fiercely against public assistance and social welfare programs that lift people up and provide them with a better quality of life. So they are not pro life, they are only pro birth.

Susan Collins may be the most ignorant person in D.C.

I love when we on the left get told we're being hyperbolic about how radicalized the Republicans and Christian right are in America. Abortion is done for at least a decade in America. Contraception, teaching sex ed, and marriage equality will be next. This is Republicans America. Obergafell, Griswold, Casey will all be done soon.

I think it all comes down to age. Stafford was mid 30s versus mid 20s with Kyler and Lamar. You're presumably getting a decade out of either Lamar or Kyler in their prime versus 2-4 seasons of Stafford in his prime. I agree with Buddha that the bidding starts at 3 1sts. If I'm willing to do it for unproven commodities in Stroud or Young then I'd probably do it for Kyler or Lamar as well.

Let's split the difference and say the Lions end up with 7-8 wins next year, not bad enough to draft in the top 10 and not good enough to have taken a big leap forward and be a playoff team. As a result of that they will be drafting #14 overall (Ravens won 8 games this season and ended up at #14) and they have decided to move on from Goff. Let's also say the Rams have another super successful season but don't win the Super Bowl and their pick ends up in the #29 overall. Does a trade that involves a mid 1st round pick at #14 pick, a late 1st at #29 pick, and a future Lions 1st in 2024 get it done to either move up in the 1st round to get Stroud/Young or to get one of Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray?