Mr.TaterSalad

I think if we had Connor Bedard to build around instead of Dylan Larkin most internet fans would be elated. I know I would be. I think you'll always find a group of fans that bitch for the sake of it and wouldn't be happy even if we won the damn cup. But if we had Bedard to build around, I suspect this fan base would feel better and be more forgiving of the GM.

I understand it's in my post. And in Campbell's quote it wasn't used. Since we're having a discussion about the draft, do you feel Borom will be their starting RT or do you think they are drafting one in rounds one or two?

Go take a Pepcid AC then and come back to the message board, where the purpose of a message board is to debate and discuss things.

Campbell specifically said about Borom: “If we don't think he could start, we wouldn't do it (sign him)”. Now maybe that's just Campbell saying he has the ability to start. But the word ability wasn't used there. He specifically said start, which implies to me of him being a starter. We're getting into the semantical weeds and getting to a depends on what the meaning of the word is, is type of debate. Really a go nowhere debate. So let me ask you this question. Do you personally think the Lions are drafting a starting RT in either the first or second round of this years draft or do you think Larry Borom, come game one of the regular season, will be the starting RT?

We sign lots of players each and every offseason. Yet, Brad often doesn't comment on that players positional value or where they will be slotted on the depth chart. Both Holmes and Campbell have specifically singled out Borom as a starter and have now mentioned it multiple times since signing him. I don't recall them talking about any other guys they've signed this offseason, sans maybe Wonnum, specifically as being a starter. They have alluded to this multiple times with Borom though. They don't have to say he will or won't be a starter, but they have. Either Holmes or Campbell could just as easily say "Yeah look, we really like Larry a lot. We feel he's a talented player and will a big contributor to this team." But they specifically go out of there way to allude to the fact that he very well might be their starting RT.

The more I hear from Brad, the less likely I think it is they take a OT in the first round and just draft whoever their BPA is on their board.

“I’ve said in the past, I thought Borom put out good tape this year. I don’t foresee that—I don’t have a crystal ball—but from what (the) last thing I saw on tape (was) I do think that he’s got starter-level ability and same as Wonnum,” Holmes said. “You’re talking about guys that have been starters in the NFL, but you just kinda look at where the trend is going, where the arrow is going. The last time, they’re still young, but we feel good about both of them. So we don’t feel like we have to supplement them.” - Brad Holmes from today's press conference.

I believe Magyars is what Hungarians call themselves. So the literal translation of Peter Magyar's name would be Peter Hungarian.

Him saying "I luv u stink" has me thinking of Snakes from Home Alone for some reason. Who is Stink?

Every year since the Brad Holmes era began, most of the players they've drafted in the first round were also 1 of the 30 they had in for a player visit. Same gores for their second round picks as well. The only exceptions in the first round were Jamo and Gibbs, they did not reportedly meet with either of them. Thanks to a poster on Pride of Detroit for this information. 2022–2025: 2025: Top 30 - Williams, Ratledge, TeSlaa 2024: Top 30 - Arnold, Rakestraw 2023: Top 30 - LaPorta, Branch, Hooker, Martin / Campbell - Combine / Gibbs- none 2022: Top 30 - Hutchinson, Kerby / Paschal - Combine / Jamo - none

No, they have a type of player they like when it comes to character and culture and they aren't compromising on that for any one player, no matter how talented they may be. It's the same reason they passed on guys like James Pearce Jr. and Mike Green in last year's draft.

I can't trash Phil Garner as a manager in Detroit. While his time here was not successful, he was saddled with the single worst GM in baseball history in Randy Smith. When you have a guy so bad at talent evaluation, scouting, free agent negotiations, and trading that he gives Matt Millen a run for his money, you know you're screwed. Nothing Garner could do, or even the best managers like a Joe Madden, could possibly overcome the atrocities of Randy Smith. The bad seasons we had opening up Comerica Park were on Randy Smith and the team his front office assembled, not Garner.

RIP Phil Garner.

They clearly passed on Jalen Carter because of a car accident he was involved in. It was a concern for them then with Carter.

Well, there's one draft prospect you can take off our board.

Amazing! Viktor Orban and the Fiedsz party lost and Peter Magyar and the TISZA has won. Fascism was beat back in Hungary and democracy won!!!

I think it is extremely likely that they take the best player on their board, who they believe is the most talent, is a cultural fit with this team, and still fits a position of need. I think anyone of OT, G, DE/Edge, DT, LB, and S are options for them with their first round pick. I do tend to lean towards the idea that they will take an offensive lineman, either a OT or G. But I don't think it is a slam dunk. I think they will have a wide open board. With Larry Borom on the roster, I think they genuinely view him as a starting RT for this coming season.

It's looking increasingly likely that Peter Magyar is going to beat autocrat Viktor Orban in the Hungarian general election today and become their next leader. It looks like his TISZA party will get a strong majority over Orban's fascist Fidesz party as well. I hope this happens!!!

The general consensus among many fans seems to be that they will draft either a OT or DE/Edge in the first round. I don't necessarily agree with that take. I don't because Brad Holmes has shown us that time and again, he is drafting for talent over need and looking at talent + need when making selection. He wants to draft the best player available, with the most talent, who is a culture fit, and also fills some need on this team. But filling the need comes behind the other trains. Now, he's going to be realistic when drafting talent over need, so he's not going to take Ty Simpson at QB just because he may be the BPA on his board when he's picking at #17. But I think that also means he's not just automatically draft an OT or DE/Edge because fans or the media think it is such a big need they must draft only one of those two positions groups. So based on my theory of the case about Brad Holmes, I did a mock draft where he took neither a OT or a DE/Edge in the first round. In this case, I went with a safety in McNeill-Warren from Toledo. My reasoning here for taking a safety in the first is because there are long term concerns about the health and ability of Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch may not be back until mid-season. I still ended up taking a DE/Edge in the second round and an OT in the third. This is what I came up with using the ESPN Mock Draft Simulator.. 1st: Emmanuel McNeil-Warren: S/Toledo 2nd: Gabe Jacas: Edge/Illinois 3rd: Drew Shelton: OT/Penn State 4th: Kaytron Allen: RB/Penn State 5th: Will Kacmarek: TE/Ohio State 7th: Owen Heinecke: LB/Oklahoma 7th: Harrison Wallace III: WR/Ole Miss

If you trade Larkin then you might as well start the rebuild over and keep on taking until you get a top line capable of putting up 90+ points in a season on the regular.

Who is a shmuck sitting behind a keyboard like me to question the toughness of any athlete, let alone a hockey player. But this is ridiculous. Year after year, end of season, after end of season, this team looks weak and completely collapses.

Welp, it's onto the offseason.

I was booing when they missed out on Quinn Hughes.

LOL WHATEVER! I hated saying what I did above but I knew they'd blow the lead.

My confidence that we can close this out and prevent another is low, but not entirely at no confidence. Finish these last 9:00 minutes boys!